Pikeman Archive
Thread: I think Pikeman should get a Heavy AP weapon
HurriwanShinobi
Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:17 pm
#14
definately should have an AP3 weapon..... considering how hard is to get a NS lance they should be AP3..... VL should be AP2..... our speed is horrid, i just spent 4.5 mill on a +11 speed attachment..... wont be enough to use a damage sliced weapon @ cap.... rifleman only need +5 to +6 to cap out 
Bh234312
Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:37 am
#15
- Nocool benefits like TKA meditation
STOP COMPARING US TO TKM!! You act like there the god's of swg. I can duel any tkm with my 478 lva or 339 Vl and win! Do you want to know why? There predictable like every other FOTM proffession. What happened to using tactics to play a fighting game instead of using three base attacks and winning duels? I swear the combat is so screwed up right now its not even funny. Also you ask how I beat a tkm? Not hard, most tkm's are all the same: /duel kd/dizzy , unarmed head hit or spam unarmed 3 till there blue in the face. Just get you a nice high kin (and stun most tkm's are rifle) helm and chest and watch the tkm's kill thereselves spamming. Then i get up intimidate, bleed , dizzy , stun ,and go to work on them eventually win the duel.
Bumbofett
Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:31 pm
#16
So in conclusion riflemen are way overpowered and deserved to be nerfed until they dont speed cap with only +2. Oh yea i agree the long vibro axe or nsel should get hevy ap and a bit more dmg. i wonder is a lva has ever been made with them nightsister motors...........
DarthMarksman
Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:45 pm
#17
I don't think riflemen are overpowered. They deal a great deal of damage at distance. That is the nature of their profession. NERF? i think not.
Co-valent
Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:37 am
#18
HurriwanShinobi wrote:
definately should have an AP3 weapon..... considering how hard is to get a NS lance they should be AP3..... VL should be AP2..... our speed is horrid, i just spent 4.5 mill on a +11 speed attachment..... wont be enough to use a damage sliced weapon @ cap.... rifleman only need +5 to +6 to cap out
Yep, Swordsman need +20 Speed to cap too, and that's expensive as well.
TheStarWarsKid
Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:12 pm
#20
This is probably going to sound weird, but I think the LVA should be AP3.
But bumping the NSEL to AP3 would be fine with me too 
Gonatsu
Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:57 pm
#21
Bh234312 wrote:
- No cool benefits like TKA meditation
STOP COMPARING US TO TKM!! You act like there the god's of swg. I can duel any tkm with my 478 lva or 339 Vl and win! Do you want to know why? There predictable like every other FOTM proffession. What happened to using tactics to play a fighting game instead of using three base attacks and winning duels? I swear the combat is so screwed up right now its not even funny. Also you ask how I beat a tkm? Not hard, most tkm's are all the same: /duel kd/dizzy , unarmed head hit or spam unarmed 3 till there blue in the face. Just get you a nice high kin (and stun most tkm's are rifle) helm and chest and watch the tkm's kill thereselves spamming. Then i get up intimidate, bleed , dizzy , stun ,and go to work on them eventually win the duel.
If thats all you have to do to beat a TKM than Brias TkMs suck.
And on topic. Pikeman do need some kind of armor peircing. I agree with those that say VL ap2 and NSEL ap 2 or 3.
annelid0
Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:58 pm
#22
TheStarWarsKid wrote:This is probably going to sound weird, but I think the LVA should be AP3.But bumping the NSEL to AP3 would be fine with me too
I agree that the LVA should be AP3.
The only way the NSEL shuld be AP3 is if the LVA is too. Otherwise it's just further **edit**ing over those of us who stand little chance of ever getting one. Too much attention has already been paid to this piece of junk that only will ever affect maybe 1% of pikemen.
Bumbofett
Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:49 pm
#23
To those that one stared me explian to me why riflemen should out damage every other class in the game. w/o attachments its impossible to even come close to a riflemen in dps.... (swordsman come close with tons of attachments) and to the guy that said "riflemen do large amounts of damage at long range" they dont need to be at long range and u missed they are supposed to be slow high dmg single hits at long range.
C-H-U-D
Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:28 am
#24
rilemen do more DPS than any other profession in the game? since when, lol. there's this profession out there, you mah have heard of it, it's called commando. as a commando, you can hit for much more damage per hit at about the same speed as a rifleman, and that attack even hits a -200/tick (pve, it's like -500 in pve) dot, and even with that, there are 4 attacks that have this DOT, all of which can be stacked...take a fully speed capped rifleman and put him up against a commando with a 2.8 FT and see who does more damage faster, and let's not forget the heavy rocket launcher, if a commando can get one at 9.7 speed or better, he can wipe alot of players out in 1-2 hits.oh wait, let's not leave out the speed capped BOUNTY HUNTER!!! that can eye/torso shot the crap out of you in very little time. and no, i'm not saying commando or BH ouht to be nerfed, and i'm obviousely not saying riflemen ought to be nerfed. i'm saying some professions should do more damage than others (granted i believe pike ought to be one of those professions for melee class combat) all i'm trying to say is grow up and stop crying nerf! if you're so damn upset with pikeman, then chances are you don't have the intellectual capacity to handle the concept of strategy, so go ahead and hit Ctrl+S and drop all your pikeman skills and go be a rifleman if you think they are so great, while you're at it, since you can't seem to grasp the concept of strategy, go ahead and do combat medic too so you can use that good old mindless "mind poison/mind disease/advanced strafe shot" combo that folks that can't really think of anything better to do use. in short, you think pikeman sucks so bad and (insert profession here) is so great, DROP PIKEMAN FOR (insert profession here) and quit your whining!!!!!!! and bumbofett, come on now, grammer buddy, "To those that one stared me"?!?!?! dammit man what the hell are you trying to say?!
Ashurei
Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:25 am
#25
C-H-U-D wrote:rilemen do more DPS than any other profession in the game? since when, lol. there's this profession out there, you mah have heard of it, it's called commando. as a commando, you can hit for much more damage per hit at about the same speed as a rifleman, and that attack even hits a -200/tick (pve, it's like -500 in pve) dot, and even with that, there are 4 attacks that have this DOT, all of which can be stacked...take a fully speed capped rifleman and put him up against a commando with a 2.8 FT and see who does more damage faster, and let's not forget the heavy rocket launcher, if a commando can get one at 9.7 speed or better, he can wipe alot of players out in 1-2 hits.oh wait, let's not leave out the speed capped BOUNTY HUNTER!!! that can eye/torso shot the crap out of you in very little time. and no, i'm not saying commando or BH ouht to be nerfed, and i'm obviousely not saying riflemen ought to be nerfed. i'm saying some professions should do more damage than others (granted i believe pike ought to be one of those professions for melee class combat) all i'm trying to say is grow up and stop crying nerf! if you're so damn upset with pikeman, then chances are you don't have the intellectual capacity to handle the concept of strategy, so go ahead and hit Ctrl+S and drop all your pikeman skills and go be a rifleman if you think they are so great, while you're at it, since you can't seem to grasp the concept of strategy, go ahead and do combat medic too so you can use that good old mindless "mind poison/mind disease/advanced strafe shot" combo that folks that can't really think of anything better to do use. in short, you think pikeman sucks so bad and (insert profession here) is so great, DROP PIKEMAN FOR (insert profession here) and quit your whining!!!!!!! and bumbofett, come on now, grammer buddy, "To those that one stared me"?!?!?! dammit man what the hell are you trying to say?!
From a PVE perpective, the dmg from the burn is really nice on commando, but that damage is not counted when calculating loot rights, (also if i remeber flamethrower (the only weapon worth using) is ap0)
From PVP unlike rifleman who can spam hs3 from a distance at speed cap, commando needs to basically get in melee range to use the specials for their flamers and recieve the dmg bonus from melee, therefore the use of flamers is only useful to annoy the person your trying to kill with the burn dot. KD/Dizzy first of cause, if you have the skill... I not tried rocketlauchers from commando, only did the flamer line cause it was all i needed, but even when i wanted to master commando all it seems from their forums is that the launcher misses why too much, etc etc
atm im rifle/swords mainly for pve as i dont pvp much and they are best complemented cause of the hs3 and headhit 3, Id love to try pike again, but its not really a good choice atm since rifle hits mind where else pike hits action, and theres no way im dropping rifles for carbineer
Bumbofett
Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:21 pm
#26
the only way a bounty hunter can outdamage a riflemen is with a 500 dmg scatter pistol and i dont know about everybody else but ive never seen one of those. also to the point commando is better than riflemen (though using my pikes i have yet to see a commando with better dps then me and have never met a worse riflemen)its not even close and my point isnt that some people outdamage others its that some classes WAY outdmg other ones. Get a standared damged sliced pistol and a standard dmg sliced t-21 now get two masters and lets see how close there dps is. its not and btw i can beat riflemen in pvp its not pvp im whineing about im talking about goddamn balance. Swords need 20 to cap with there powerhammers and im ok with that but i belive if they need to do that then riflmen (there ranged equivilent should have to do the same)