Pikeman Archive
Thread: Combat Revamp and DOT's
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Damon123
Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:17 pm
#27
Some of you guys in here are basically lacking imagination. Sorry.
The main part of PvP is going wrong cause of the DoT - not the silly ones, the STRONG ones.
A minor part went down due to buffs, armor and mitigation.
So they DEFINETLY reduce armor and they definetly reduce buffs. With good buffy you can get 4 k HAM, I think they will at least HALF that.
Do you really think they will allow 800+ DoT with huge potency (and thus ticking every 3 secs) allow on that?
That would screw the system entirely (ups. I forgot. They already have screwed the system from time to time and made it what it is now...)
But seriously - kiss your lame insane DoT-weapons goodbye. They WILL be either reduced GREATLY in power or removed entirely.
No other solution would survive the CU - or maybe the next few "hotfixes"...
D.
P.S.: Afraid maybe that you have lamed and annoyed to many people by now, right? Afraid that YOU will be the victim for a LONG time now...
I can IMAGINE.
zolar-1
Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:28 pm
#28
i always wonder....are the people who always screem "get rid of dots"....are they the ones who just dont have a uber one?
hmmm....
film
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:11 am
#29
Damon123 wrote:
Some of you guys in here are basically lacking imagination. Sorry.
The main part of PvP is going wrong cause of the DoT - not the silly ones, the STRONG ones.
A minor part went down due to buffs, armor and mitigation.
So they DEFINETLY reduce armor and they definetly reduce buffs. With good buffy you can get 4 k HAM, I think they will at least HALF that.
Do you really think they will allow 800+ DoT with huge potency (and thus ticking every 3 secs) allow on that?
That would screw the system entirely (ups. I forgot. They already have screwed the system from time to time and made it what it is now...)
But seriously - kiss your lame insane DoT-weapons goodbye. They WILL be either reduced GREATLY in power or removed entirely.
No other solution would survive the CU - or maybe the next few "hotfixes"...
D.
P.S.: Afraid maybe that you have lamed and annoyed to many people by now, right? Afraid that YOU will be the victim for a LONG time now...
I can IMAGINE.
you wholy dissapoint me.... what is it exactly that makes you think dots destroy pvp? dots are an important part of pvp....dots personally dont effect me at all in pvp becuase of my doc hybrid template.... go to hakd-online and dl some of the video's and tell me dots have such a great impact to change the course of the battle. honestly, how many people have a 800 str dot weapon per server anyway?not that it matters... a doc can heal that off before it ticks once as long as he's not spamming the stuff. look at it this way without dotspretty much3 proffesions would be totally eliminated from the pvp scene leaving only those carrying a lighsaber, stun weapon, or exceptionally great power hammer.without dots, those with the defence stacked melee templates would practically be given god mode outside of jedi. every template should have a vulnerability. the vulnerability to those without doc is dots. If you wanted to eliminate or weakin dots simply weakin armor/buffs... no one likes it that their own proffesion sucks in pvp because they cant deal stun damage. if armor %'s were reduced someone could deal much more damage much quicker byjust 'hitting', then someone with justa dot proffesion/weapon. I do however hope that dots w/ the pikeman proffesion do not undermine the necessary fixes needed to the proffesion
Neofiliac
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:25 am
#30
at least film knows what he is talking about
film wrote:
Damon123 wrote:
Some of you guys in here are basically lacking imagination. Sorry.
The main part of PvP is going wrong cause of the DoT - not the silly ones, the STRONG ones.
A minor part went down due to buffs, armor and mitigation.
So they DEFINETLY reduce armor and they definetly reduce buffs. With good buffy you can get 4 k HAM, I think they will at least HALF that.
Do you really think they will allow 800+ DoT with huge potency (and thus ticking every 3 secs) allow on that?
That would screw the system entirely (ups. I forgot. They already have screwed the system from time to time and made it what it is now...)
But seriously - kiss your lame insane DoT-weapons goodbye. They WILL be either reduced GREATLY in power or removed entirely.
No other solution would survive the CU - or maybe the next few "hotfixes"...
D.
P.S.: Afraid maybe that you have lamed and annoyed to many people by now, right? Afraid that YOU will be the victim for a LONG time now...
I can IMAGINE.
you wholy dissapoint me.... what is it exactly that makes you think dots destroy pvp? dots are an important part of pvp....dots personally dont effect me at all in pvp becuase of my doc hybrid template.... go to hakd-online and dl some of the video's and tell me dots have such a great impact to change the course of the battle. honestly, how many people have a 800 str dot weapon per server anyway?not that it matters... a doc can heal that off before it ticks once as long as he's not spamming the stuff. look at it this way without dotspretty much3 proffesions would be totally eliminated from the pvp scene leaving only those carrying a lighsaber, stun weapon, or exceptionally great power hammer.without dots, those with the defence stacked melee templates would practically be given god mode outside of jedi. every template should have a vulnerability. the vulnerability to those without doc is dots. If you wanted to eliminate or weakin dots simply weakin armor/buffs... no one likes it that their own proffesion sucks in pvp because they cant deal stun damage. if armor %'s were reduced someone could deal much more damage much quicker byjust 'hitting', then someone with justa dot proffesion/weapon. I do however hope that dots w/ the pikeman proffesion do not undermine the necessary fixes needed to the proffesion
buellronin
Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:36 am
#31
Some of you guys in here are basically lacking imagination. Sorry.
The main part of PvP is going wrong cause of the DoT - not the silly ones, the STRONG ones.
A minor part went down due to buffs, armor and mitigation.
So they DEFINETLY reduce armor and they definetly reduce buffs. With good buffy you can get 4 k HAM, I think they will at least HALF that.
Do you really think they will allow 800+ DoT with huge potency (and thus ticking every 3 secs) allow on that?
That would screw the system entirely (ups. I forgot. They already have screwed the system from time to time and made it what it is now...)
But seriously - kiss your lame insane DoT-weapons goodbye. They WILL be either reduced GREATLY in power or removed entirely.
No other solution would survive the CU - or maybe the next few "hotfixes"...
D.
P.S.: Afraid maybe that you have lamed and annoyed to many people by now, right? Afraid that YOU will be the victim for a LONG time now...
I can IMAGINE.
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i was a pikeman and had 4030 doc and nasty dots that i could stack to tick for a nice high amount--and never had one dot that ticked every 3 seconds.....
i used to love when someone stuck dots on me i would heal fire before it even left wounds... i loved to see the tactics changing once i started healing dots... everything has a balance in this game no one is uber to all..... so if there is something you dont like you have choices on how to deal with it.. it is like saying tk are to uber --lol i hate that argument sure they can stack every state but breaking through 80%kinetic armor against another guy who is defense stacked lmao... i see mo duels unarmored that last over 5 mins put armor on and no one will take damage unless it is to themselves from the ham cost from encum.... point is there is a ying to every yang in here.....
buell
Phazaar
Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:43 am
#32
Alright, i agree with whats his face saying that you lack imagination. Are you all completely dense?
"Take out DoTs and pikey is useless"
"Doc has no use without DoTs"
bla bla bla bla bla.
We are talking about the COMBAT BALANCE. They arent just gonna be taking out DoTs and saying they're done with it. With sh*tty armour and way less buffs, a master pikey can win without DoTs anyhow, but what your forgetting is that all profs are gonna be balanced, therefore pikey damage will probably be upgraded, pikey attacks will get better. Also, stun weapons wont matter coz stun armour will be as good as normal armour is versus normal attacks. Then, mind damage shouldnt be the only thing thats important in pvp. Your saying leg-tickle3, but with the CB attacking action will be just as good as mind or health, so pikey should come up level with fencer rifleman and all the other FoTM profs.
Doc will still have a use though - healing and buffing. Combat Medic DoTs shouldnt be getting removed anyhow (unless they want to replace SL with CM) so docs would still have a job in healing CM DoTs - all be it they may be less daunting.
Oh yeah, and your feeble "The only people against DoTs are those without UBER DoT weapons" is entirely true, but also it reverses. The only people for DoTs are those with UBER DoT weapons. The average character cant afford to be spending 20 million on a DoT pike, just coz u have no lives and have managed to aquire that kind of money, doesnt mean that people who have a job or a family, and so cant play 24/7 should be punished by being pwnt by all of your uber 1337 noob DoTs.
I've just bought some DoT pikes, and i'll be using them until the CB, but i wont be crying if they delete them when it comes, coz I shouldnt need them to stand against noobzor jedi and sh*t anyhow.
buellronin
Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:18 pm
#33
try beating a guy who has some decent medic with no mind hit! it wont work .. i know your response is kd him.. what if he has nice defenses .. point is to be deadly in pvp you need to have a mind hit. i cant tell you the last time in a one on one fight i have lost due to health or action
Phazaar
Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:52 pm
#34
If you read what i said, you would notice that in the combat balance, mind damage will no longer be so amazingly potent, and health and action attacks will be just as effective. I dont know how this will be done, but it will be done or the combat balance has almost no point at all, so you dont need a mind hit, and dots can go to hell. Also, you have some key skills as a brawler to counter good KD defence/healing etc. Intimidate/intimidate 2 and warcry. If you warcry your target, they cant heal for 10 seconds anyhow, and in that time you can intimidate and KD/dizzy with any skill, and even if u cant KD them, if they have to heal constantly then you'll win anyhow coz they cant attack you back. Think logically.
btw, you cant say a time when u last lost through health or action coz u'v only been playing a month! lol, jk, sry, i couldnt resist. I was playing 6 months before i registered for the forums lol, and i got that kinda thing all the time when i first posted.
buellronin
Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:13 am
#35
i have been here since 2 weeks after launch.....
spamming specials will drain from the 4th bar which is the specials bar...... one stim heals me... so i may be able to drain your specials bar down just by letting you hit me a bit as long as i dont kd..... mindbar will still be the smallest bar...... and medic will be a profession mre valuable in the field than it is now...
the reason i dont post very often is becuase i listen more than i talk... it is said that one becomes wiser that way..... i have noticed you post quite often! (i could not resist either) hehe
buell
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