Pikeman Archive
Thread: Pikeman is distressing!
swordsman DPS rocks ours, not cause of attack speed so much as they hit way more consitently for higher numbers then we do
who cares if we have leghit and they have mindhit, I'm pointing out, ours is piddle in comparrison, its what we target, it dosen't matter mind vs action vs health in pve, dumby
wow you can hit for 500, me too, and I can hit for slight over 3k too some times, oh YIPPY point being again, we bounce from 500 to 2k area on hits, swordsman get way more constant 2k+
yeah so rifleman is weak no defenses? big deal? loser
can I kill krayt and things like that? YES, can I land any states more so then a swordsman? dizzy? yeah and it works really good on high level mobs that aren't npcs......
I don't think you get it straight out of the gate swordsman straight up hammer mind in comparrison to our diddly leghit, right out of the box, their weapon is stronger, simple as that, and thier damage multiplier
am I pissing at the first poster? yes, cause hes insulting
area KD and dizzy dosen't do a lot if nothing KD's, I dunno about you, but I don't even kill janta/mokk I kill the lair, any high end mob dosen't KD much at all, or land stun, there for all I got is a dizzy damaging attack, wow well if dizzy don't help, I'm outclassed by swordsman damage AGAIN they have several spin attacks
hit3 for pike IS 3x, your confused, you forget there is a 1.5x on all weapons you have to add to them for actaul damage, its a common misconception, but go ahead, run around not using specails, you'll do more then the base stats with no damage modifers of any kind
pikeman would be cool if it has specails that upped damage or some thing, stun don't land, so I'm left with intimidate and dizzy YAY KD wont' land BUHHHH, and does nothing to non NPC's
I'm sorry when did i say pvp'ing swordsman?
ritzuko sorry but while that sounds cool, its not, swordsman currently, say like the huge spawn of 50 at a time mercs, I lost way more health then my swordsman friend did, both tanking the same amount, but he could kill all the ones as soon as the aggroed him WAY BEFORE I can kill the ones aggroing me, so he had no problems staying alive....
so I'm still a bit upset, I like pikeman, I think it'd be badass, but its not quiet there yet
GoodToTheTouch wrote:
I ment buy a 1200 lance you idoit, thats what I ment, I never said crafted, there is no question there
swordsman DPS rocks ours, not cause of attack speed so much as they hit way more consitently for higher numbers then we do
who cares if we have leghit and they have mindhit, I'm pointing out, ours is piddle in comparrison, its what we target, it dosen't matter mind vs action vs health in pve, dumby
wow you can hit for 500, me too, and I can hit for slight over 3k too some times, oh YIPPY point being again, we bounce from 500 to 2k area on hits, swordsman get way more constant 2k+
yeah so rifleman is weak no defenses? big deal? loser
can I kill krayt and things like that? YES, can I land any states more so then a swordsman? dizzy? yeah and it works really good on high level mobs that aren't npcs......
I don't think you get it straight out of the gate swordsman straight up hammer mind in comparrison to our diddly leghit, right out of the box, their weapon is stronger, simple as that, and thier damage multiplier
am I pissing at the first poster? yes, cause hes insulting
area KD and dizzy dosen't do a lot if nothing KD's, I dunno about you, but I don't even kill janta/mokk I kill the lair, any high end mob dosen't KD much at all, or land stun, there for all I got is a dizzy damaging attack, wow well if dizzy don't help, I'm outclassed by swordsman damage AGAIN they have several spin attacks
hit3 for pike IS 3x, your confused, you forget there is a 1.5x on all weapons you have to add to them for actaul damage, its a common misconception, but go ahead, run around not using specails, you'll do more then the base stats with no damage modifers of any kind
pikeman would be cool if it has specails that upped damage or some thing, stun don't land, so I'm left with intimidate and dizzy YAY KD wont' land BUHHHH, and does nothing to non NPC's
I'm sorry when did i say pvp'ing swordsman?
ritzuko sorry but while that sounds cool, its not, swordsman currently, say like the huge spawn of 50 at a time mercs, I lost way more health then my swordsman friend did, both tanking the same amount, but he could kill all the ones as soon as the aggroed him WAY BEFORE I can kill the ones aggroing me, so he had no problems staying alive....
so I'm still a bit upset, I like pikeman, I think it'd be badass, but its not quiet there yet
So, if you think Pikeman sucks so bad, leave the profession. I used to be a Master Swordsman and I am now a Pikeman. I will never go back.
Mandalaia wrote:
AelricMistrider wrote:
Then go back to being a Pistoleer. But you miss out on area KD and Dizzy, as well as other excellent state attacks we have. So you couldn't out damage a Swordsman..that just tells me you need to move to a part of the Geo caves that isn't occupied, that's all. Besides, if you are just basing this on a trip to the cave, you are seriously undervaluing the Pikeman profession. Take a trip to Dathomir sometime and do what the previous poster mentioned..take on a load of rancors. You'll see how great this profession really is.Sure, a Pikeman may not be able to out damage a Swordsman, but exactly how much damage is that Swordsman doing while he's lying flat on his back after a Sweep attack?
If this were a PVP situation, I would agree, but this is a PVE area, so that statement doesn't really hold much.
GoodToTheTouch wrote:
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You almost made valid arguments before, but things have deteriorated.
Any consistency swordsmen have with their hits is probably being done with a scythe, as they have smaller damage ranges. The power hammer is about as bad as our weapons in terms of having a wide damage range. Swordsmen do have higher damage modifiers in general, but that has nothing to do with consistency.
Hit3 used to be a 3x damage mod, it is now 4x. There is not a 1.5x standard modifier on all attacks, there is a 1.86x standard modifier on all attacks. I assume you're using the completely wrong figures from Rem's dps calculator. If youy're going to complain about things like this at least get your numbers right. Take your own advice and test it yourself.
Stun lands very easily on most mobs, as do dizzy and KD. It's not difficult to get a group of jantas or mokks dizzy and on their backs around you. When it comes to state effects, we are simply superior to swordsmen. When it comes to damage they're of course superior to us.
There are plenty of perfectly valid complaints one can make about the current state of the pikeman profession. Leghit does suck compared to headhit, not due to it being action-targeted, but due to a very poor damage mod. Most of our damage mods are terrible when compared to swordsmen. We do take more damage than any other melee class, due to low toughness and block's crumminess. There are many things that need to be addressed, but ranting about imaginary problems does nothing to help fix the real issues.
Message Edited by VacaXXX on 09-26-2004 10:49 AM
GoodToTheTouch wrote:
Can't do poo for damage.....
I was in geo caves, and I got a 35% sliced LVA right.... and a equal VL from loot, both almost 500 damage...... now this may not sound that impressive but I can't afford to buy the 1200's type lances.....
Don't waste your money on a 1200 dmg lance for pve, it is smarter to buy speed SEAs. Get your speed up to +96 and you will be soloing NS to your hearts content. And then you can loot your lance, and you will be speed capped with it!
our most powerfulattack hit3 is 3x, and say swordsman is 4x.... heh, but I'll never understand how they do like several thousand more damage then me using a special thats not much higher if any in damage multiplication
In the geo caves swordsman have a slight advantage because they have blast damage, and the powerhammer is stronger. Don't let it get you down.
outdamage a swordsman thats speedcapped as a pikeman? I doupt that to be honest, our crappy leghit2 vs. their mind hit and bleeds for mind? it dosen't seem likely to me, their DPS alone rocks ours simple as that with out uber looted pikes
people ask me "are you ok? you need help with that? are you master?" cause I kill stuff so slow, there is no way to kill faster, you use what you got, no specials increase damage,
You have to add the speed...
pikeman its kinda seeming like a bum profession to me, and DOT's are useless PVE they just, ok pvp 3k health, pve 40k+ health? heh you see the point of a DOT right
Don't let this bother you,DOTs are useless to everyone in PvE! In the time that it takes you to change weapons, apply a DOT, and switch back to your normal weapon, you have lost precious time in which you could have been doing damage. DOTs simply aren't strong enough for anyone, to make any real difference.
just seems so wrong how pikeman always seems to hit for lower damage, even though a swordsman has way less accuracry on his hammer and skill mods, I have no comprehension of how that works at all, I feel so weak, i could kill faster as a pistoler, even stuff with medium armor I could.
The only melee profession we can't outdamage with crafted weapons, at the speed cap, is swordsman. If that is really important to you, just go to swords because you won't get the most dmg with crafted pikes. However, you are going to pay twice as much for speed SEAs for two-handed speed as you will for polearm speed. Also, as mycomrades have pointed out, you won't have the ability to area dizzy and area KD. Also, and perhaps most importantly, you won't look nearly as good as you do,spinning, with an LVA in your hands!
KD lands on high end mobs every once in awhile, you can make it land once in a fight no doupt, but Stun, good luck landing that on a NS, dream on, any high level mob just refuses to be stunned....
Brilyn wrote:< If this were a PVP situation, I would agree, but this is a PVE area, so that statement doesn't really hold much. >Go to Endor and fight Gurrecks and Bordoks.Yes, it does hold true.
Hmm..don't have a problem with them..go to Dathomir and tangle with Nightsisters, that seems a more comparable situation.
Then you're just imagining things if you think swordsmen consistently hit at one end of their damage range. If they have more high hits it's due to their damage mods being higher overall.
GoodToTheTouch wrote:
I've been a swordsman, I ment with a power hammer, not with a scythe
Pretty much any NS up through Spellweavers can be stunned and dizzied on occasion, just not often enough for it to be an especially useful tactic. The extreme high end is essentially immune to states, but that's nothing to do with the efficacy of our state effects, it has to do with it being virtually impossible for anyone to stun or dizzy certain high level mobs. In general the state effects land quite often.
KD lands on high end mobs every once in awhile, you can make it land once in a fight no doupt, but Stun, good luck landing that on a NS, dream on, any high level mob just refuses to be stunned....