Pikeman Archive

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vaderbaiter wrote:

We are out-DPS'ed, but in terms of maximum hit, pikemen pull ahead from AR2 to AR3. Clear enough? You obviously do not care even if someone presents you with facts, you will not look. What's the point in discussion anything then?

I asked because you clearly contradicted yourself in your statements, something you could of avoided by being more specific

I said normalized DPS because I normalized the target, no resists, no extras going on. Normalized to get a clear view.

So your saying that if I click that link it will show you taking into account AP and bleeds? If so I'd be glad to take a look but if not then it's not worth my time sorry.

You talk about us having 3 types of damage in pvp. Look at your composite/ubese/chitin, what are the highest resists? Kinetic and Electricity (especially on the ubiquitous composite). Those are our two damage types. We have energy available to us, but how many pikemen do you see with an energy lance? Plus, it's just AP1 and energy is commonly resisted by all armor types anyway. So yes, our damage types do not make us more effective in pvp than your one.

So your saying that a pikeman going up against someone wearing Ubese doesn't have a greater advantage over a TKA?Last i checked my ubese protected much better against kinetic then any other damage type. And composite handcuffs alot of classes, in fact it handcuffs all of them except the few who combat proffs that have stun weapons.

Our DoT weapons are special loot, not player-made and sometimes are the only reason we can kill people in PvP.

Must be nice being able to use NPC dropped weapons, thats another limitation of TKA, their are none for us.Yet again you overlook a limitation of TKA.....Also I guess your saying your correspondent is a liar because according to him their is wicked player made pikeman weapons check out this link he made on flurry forums

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Flurry&message.id=79952

Your announcement about not even reading what you talk about wanting to see speaks volumes about you.

Like i said you said "normalized dps" i took that as pure dps not taking into account bleeds and AP, if you took them into account then i'll be glad to look.I'm not saying that when everything is taken into account that it isn't possible for TKA to still be ahead across the board.I'm saying prove it, because if the devs did re-balancing based on equations that didn't take into account those factors and variables then the TKA's will be shafted as the reductions would be to large.

Message Edited by vaderbaiter on 03-04-2004 04:31 PM

Message Edited by vaderbaiter on 03-04-2004 04:33 PM

Message Edited by vaderbaiter on 03-04-2004 04:43 PM

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bah, shoulda read more of the posts before i started. oh well, here we go.

no, you won't look at facts. you were provided a link, but thought it was beneath your time to look at. typical when someone is losing an arguement. oh, it doesn't have everything you want to see, so you're not looking at it. good one.

i don't see anyone wearing ubese armor in pvp anymore. everyone (minus the wookiees) have composite. why is that? composite armor on my server has 80% resists to kinetic. the ubese has 75%. 80%>75%. also, you don't just fight kinetic damage dealers in pvp, so you want some extra protection. saying your opponent is wearing ubese is a specialized case, like a duel. so yes, we are still at a disadvantage with our current damage types.

yes it is nice using npc looted gear. not as nice as it could be, but its pretty decent. oh what? tka's don't get that same treatment? i beg to differ. i think my vk's that i looted with action poison on them are pretty nifty. my friend's with a mind fire dot is extremely evil. i fought someone in pvp that had health disease on his. although, it was pretty weak. you just have to know where to find them. i have a good source of where to get them. every tka in my guild probably has at least one set of dot'd vk's. not hard at all to come by.

no, our correspondent is not a liar. yes, you can craft this weapon with 2 dots on it, but you need to loot 2 separate components. both from the same enemy, and they don't drop at the same time (if they drop at all). again, how many people have you seen running around with a nightsister energy lance. i've seen about 2 myself.

also, its already been worked out somewhere. i wish i had the link, but guess who has the lower DPS in the game? that's right, the pikemen do. surprisingly, i think commando came in second worst. where did tka's come in? right up near the top with riflemen.

vaderbaiter,

You think our having bleeds balances the professions? Applying a bleed is the equivalent of landing an average hit every tick. TKMs out-damage us and are faster than us so for every bleed tick (average hit) a TKM would land several more hits. Why do you need bleeds? Hell, why do I need bleeds? I don't use them. Our bleed drains action but I most often hit the health of a target since I can't spam my leghit special. Why bother.

You think our different damage types are a hinderance to TKAs? As others have pointed out, most armor eliminates that small advantage for us as does the speed and power a TKA hits with. Plus, your class is an 'unarmed' class so why should you have different damage types? A punch is kinetic. I think it's unfair you even get to use VKs.

I'll give you those so-called advantages for the ability to hit like a tank with the speed ofa machine-gun, self-buff, overcome incapacitation, or heal myself without use of meds or entertainers. Yup, you TKAs got it rough.

Actually, the only reason, I am biting my tounge on the TKA issue, is becouse people who i respect for their opinions feel it would be best if i lay off.

But, looks like those other guy's are rippin' into you prety well. I guess it is all about home feild advantage.

Interestingly enuff, the people on this post are providing numbers and facts, instead of telling you to shut up and go away., or arguing simply for the sake of arguing.

Learn.

We got some pretty good guys here.

Message Edited by ArkMindSpear on 03-04-2004 09:44 PM

Wow!! A real fight. About time.

First off, spamming our forums may be counter-productive. If the devs see a huge increase in traffic on this forum, they may think pikeman is becoming FOTM and boost us all to hell, overpowering pikers more then theoverpowered TKAs and that would be a living hell for them.

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vze1 wrote:

I also don't agree with people going to other forums and crying nerf whether they be a TKA, pikeman, or droid engineers. Personally I'm sick of it. Our time would be much more well spent improving our chosen professions and in turn improving the game as a whole. Can't we all just get along?

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Defconn wrote:

BUT KEEP YOUR JUVENILE BROTHER OUT OF OUR BOARDS.

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not necessary.ark made a post in here asking other pikeman what they thought of his actions and other pikemen didn't really approve.

Just know that Ark's actions aren't looked well upon by other pikemen.

I think the thread Ark made was deleted. . I can't find it anymore.

i am not spamming.

i am bored at work.

wich alows for lightning fast responses.

Between the hours of 1 and 5.

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Legwand wrote:

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Defconn wrote:

BUT KEEP YOUR JUVENILE BROTHER OUT OF OUR BOARDS.

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As Cain said to God .. Am I my brothers keeper?

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ArkMindSpear wrote:

Just a note. Out of all the of the constructive threads that have been in the pikeman forums, and there have been lots.

Only the ones that the DEVs specificly asked our corosspondent to put in here ver got any attention what so ever.

And even most of the threads that THEY put on here were eventually discontinued and left to drift away, with no results, at all.

So, constructive posts do nothing.
They ignore negative posts, so they do nothing.

In effect, except on rare occasion, nothing that is said on these forums actually effects ANYTHING that gets changed.

But we can still share our thoughts and ideas.

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