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Thread: UMM!?

ArkMindSpear
Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:04 pm
#14

Thats OUR problem, not swordsmans.



My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040
ArkMindSpear
Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:56 pm
#15

One stared again...apparently if it isn't a rant, it just isn't worth hearing


I am saying taht swordsman are the damage dealers...

thats their job

its what they do

when all is said and done and everyone is appy, thats what they're STILL gonna do.


So you can hardly say it isn't fair taht they do more damage.


On the other hand you can say that it is crap that TKAs do way more. I am always for bad mouthing TKAs....brown nosers.


So f you go get mad at a DEv for not having the highest DPS...they arn't gonna think to much if it.



My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040
Kasteu
Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:03 am
#16



I'm not in defence of swordsman, just people saying the grass is greener on the other side. Each profession has its strength's and weaknesses.


I'm a master pikeman and have always been this profession since European launch. I'm also part swordsman, which I actually find very borning and only look up so I could stand against Elders, etc. Which I've already stated is a content issue. You can play to your hearts content with range mods, defence, but without the weapon (content) nothing would really change.


As for defence, we aren't the worst, we just have the least toughness. Swordsman get a melee defence of +20, while we get +30 (if I've read the boxes right). Go check!!
ArkMindSpear
Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:24 am
#17

You can't get onto swordsman for doing more damage than us...it's their JOB.



My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040
annelid0
Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:14 am
#18

Kasteu, if when you're referring to defense you just mean the melee defense mod then I agree. We do get 30 while swordsmen get 20. However, when looking at the big picture it's pretty clear that their superior toughness and damage-avoiding counterattack more than make up for that. I'd love to believe that every class has something they're the best at and something they're the worst at, but it's just not the case. Sometimes the grass really is greener on the other side.

Fencers and swordsmen are the two melees that are well-designed. Both do what they're intended to, have strengths and weaknesses, and are pretty fairly balanced against each other. TKAs are the overpowered high end that does everything better than everyone else, and pikemen are the low end that does everything worse than everyone else (both exaggerations, but not by much).

Yes, it absolutely is a problem with us and not with them. Swordsmen are simply a benchmark for the sort of balance we need to reach to be fixed.

And stop one-starring Ark, dammit. He's right.



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Kasteu
Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:48 am
#19


Who's one starring him? Isn't me.


The big picture is personally I have swordsmen complain about me out damaging them (in PvE and grouped)and they are also the ones getting incapped. I use nothing more than standard crafted weapons. Maybe I'm doing something different, don't know.


Ever think that comment from TH about us being a hybrid class, means out of the others we are the most versatile whenlinked with other professions?
Kasteu
Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:11 pm
#20



Look guys, this is just from my own experience. I have no problems with being master pikeman (at all), but I've spent the skill points to improve things. I'm capped at both melee and range defence, which if I was a swordsman I would have had to spend more skill points to get. Hence I can pick up other things.


Doesn't matter what is said, with my template it works very well (for me). The only bits of swordsman I'm using isaccuracy and speed so I canget blast damage. If we ever get such a weapon, I'll be dropping those swordsman lines as quick as I can press the buttons on my mouse and pick up the secondary defences those points are costing me.


This forum as become so negative, when there is a lot of joy in being a pikeman and even if the only thing you can think of is thatthe profession iscool and great fun. That's what if offers about all other professions andour numbers are growing at a great pace, because people are enjoying.

ArkMindSpear
Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:31 pm
#21

Posotive?


He said the unholy word.


EAT HIS BRAINS!!!





My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040
ArkMindSpear
Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:22 am
#22

we have nothign to offer other proffesions that every other combat proffesion dosen't offer more of.


And no proffesion has anything to offer us, that wouldn't be much more powerfull on any other combat class.


So no.


When he said we were a hybrid, he either ment. A) He is crazy and dosent' know the game at all. I don't belive this is a possiblity. Becouse EVERYONE knows the trees and which proffesions are and are not hybrids.

or B) he ment that like all other proffesions, it was created not to stand alone.
But thats exactly what it does, and every other proffesion too.

If a Master Pikeman/Master Pistoleer/Master who cares what....as long as they are holding their pike, has scarcely more chance than a just master pikeman.

THe most you rewally get out of mixing combat proffesions is Versatility, and stacking passive defenses. But the defenses you can get the same amount by mixing any 3 professions, becouse they cap relativly low. SO maxing those out basicly means just investing most all of your points in combat in general.


Either way. Pikeman are kinda screwed for now and maybe for ever. No matter what he ment. Wether he is dumb, or just goofed is besides the point. He's gone. He's not comming back. And if he does, god only knows what information he or any other DEV will pull from this pack of misfits.

Some say we are fine, more say we are borked.

But that's in every forum.


Right now they have bigger fish to fry.

The Space Expansion is comming out soon.
They have money to make son.


I think they pushed the combat pass back becouse the space expansion will hold us off untill then, and bring on more people.


So, not long after they anounced the pushing back of the combat pass...we have...

Lets wait a couple months for the space expansion...

Then..the space expansion comes out....more money from us, and there had better not be 2 fees damnit.

Then all hype around the space expansion...like.."oh this is fun."

then we get bored and say, "hey we still suck"

Then they say, "well you are important to us, so we wil focus all our efforts into a combat revamp, it'll be ready in a few months."

Yay, finally here it comes...

We finally get it...

8 months from now.

When we are all thoroghly bored and discusted with the game,

we play our new characters, say, ohh, this is cool.
It's also only enuff stuff to keep me entertained for about a month.

Get bored, say **edit** it, quit, and go play amplitude.



My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040
BackBite
Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:22 am
#23


It always seemed to me that TK should be the true hybrid class of the brawler tree. And what I mean by that is that, in reality,one trains in hand-to-hand as a fall back when their primary means ofattack is unavailable, such as they''ve managed to break their lance or theirrifle has run out of ammo. To some degree this is true, as melee classes can currently take a few trees of TK to gain access to skills like meditate and in order to boost their defenses but that should be really be the extent of TK's worth - supplementing other brawler skills. In reality (which has not bearing here, I know), training in hand-to-hand combat always precedes weapons training because you need the fundementals of basic form, balance, and conditioning in order to more effectively wield any weapon and because, God forbid you should be disarmed, you'll need those skills eventually anyway.


The fact that TK is a viable (if not exactly advantageous) discipline against riflemen, swordsmen, and commandoes is not only ridiculous from a standpoint of logistics, but it irks me to no end that, combined with their speed, TKAs can exceed the damage of classes that wield heavy-duty weapons.


So any time someone casually points out that pikemen is a hybrid class, we should just as casually remark that it's a generic and broad discipline like TK that *should* be the hybrid class, not one with specific strengths and weaknesses and, more importantly, a specific means of attack like pikeman. To call us a hybrid class is something of a slap in the face, since no one takes polearms to gain anything...we have no skills that dabblers can use to their advantage.At the same time, we're forced to rely on not only skills from other trees like TK, but also other professions entirely, such as doctor to offest our enormousHAM costs. No one should be forced to seek skills outside their chosen basic skill tree in order to compete fairly.





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