Pikeman Archive

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RPMayhem wrote:
well, the xp issue should distract them for awhile, but thanks for the heads up!

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Not really, there are active posts about it now.

antares

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laz_souto wrote:

This move needs to be nerfed to hell!! A debuff of -40 is not balanced to a buff of +25 (Doc) and +20 Jedi (Not totally sure). This debuff should be put at -30 or -25, that way it is balanced with teh buff and it is also to be overcome by Luris/Combat Buffs.

Pikeman Is Plenty Uber, I know lol.

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lol noob!!

What you need to remember is a fair percentage of posters on the jedi forums complain about anything....so I wouldnt be too concerned.

They are still bitching about the Premium\Flawless not dropping. That will be next on the Jedi whiners agenda.

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laz_souto wrote:

This move needs to be nerfed to hell!! A debuff of -40 is not balanced to a buff of +25 (Doc) and +20 Jedi (Not totally sure). This debuff should be put at -30 or -25, that way it is balanced with teh buff and it is also to be overcome by Luris/Combat Buffs.

Pikeman Is Plenty Uber, I know lol.

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Buff lasts 15-30 mins, can be done outside combat

Debuff lasts 2 mins, takes up a combat action, i.e. 1 less attack

Plenty balanced.

-EvilSquirrel

On Kauri Pikeman is fairly popular. I see more Pikeman than Swordsman and Fencers, there are more Pikeman in our guild than Jedi. And btw, you cant compare pikeman to jedi in how much you see and expect it to be a fair comaprison. Jedi is a collection of 5 diffrent proffs and is MEANT to be more powerful than ALL professions, Jedi Master is the end game, and wouldn't you expect more people goign for the endgame than Mpike.

Some counters to my opinion that this move should be nerfed are:

(1) It takes up a move of ours, which makes it balanced v. other proffessions

-Although it takes up 1 of your moves, you seem to forget how many moves are lost by your opponent. Over a 1min period, should you opponent regularly get 16 moves, they will only get 12, 4 moves lost over 1 min for your 1 move lost. Now if the opponent is buffed, IF, then they would normally get 18 moves every min, with this debuff they get 13 moves a min. So by that logic a Buff makes nearly no headway against this move. You get 1 more move if you are buffed.

(2) The length of buffs is longer and can be done outside combat

-As shown above, its effect is truly minimal, 1 move move per min

Finally Almost everything said seems to be jedi hate, get over it, if you want to be uber dont cry NERF JEDI, JEDI WANT EVERYONE WEAKER, JUST BECASUE THEIR GRIND WAS LIKE 100x HARDER, and go out and get Jedi. If you want to kill jedi, pick up Bounty Hunter and do it rather than whine. Or if you dont want to grind the Investigation tree and want uberness handed to you, take Mswords and mix it with Pike or Tk and Doc, Spend some real creds on a awesome PH and walk around overt, you can crash most jedi out there (Mls will give you alittle trouble, but if your PH is 1200+ and you have AB sliced armor, they are np). To the person who called me a noob, take a look at our registration dates, you are clearly the noob.

I REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF PERMA-DEATH!!! DO YOU?

Everyone's problem is, when they hear that people are complaining that one of their moves are too powerful, say the Jedi are just whining, but does anyone ever think that the move might actually be overpowered? I mean honestly, in all the posts here, how many actually use logic to deciede whether or not that the move should be nerfed? This type of thinking is viral thinking, when people think that every problem of theirs is due to Jedi. I do not know at the moment that pikeman are using this move to beat Jedi, I have only dueled a few pikeman in my guild, but what I do know, is its not the jedis fault if it is overpowered, and you have to consider it may be.

Earlier in my posting I went through the amount of moves you lose due to Warcry, refer back to it, and you will find, just how huge it is. Even with buffs over a 10min duel a player loses 15,000 damage, a Swordsman firing max damage loses closer t0 24,000 damage. Without buffs the player loses 20,000, and a swordsman firing at max damage closer to 30,000 damage (Note I have had Jedi hit me for 1.2-1.4k per hit, so if these type of figures come up, they could be losing alittle les than 48,000). No one has a problem with this? Or does everyone think it is only the jedi.

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DagoolchStarrunner wrote:

Intimidate is pretty lame as it is, why nerf it more? it has succchhh a long cool-down.. it doesn't stick too well, and it doesn't change too much.

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er... you ever pvped vs a pikeman. intim hurts a lot, but i just use stablizers and clear it

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I am a pikeman =p well... I ALWAYS use intimidate.. maybe i'm just not aware of the actual changes..

For a vet, you seem to have fallen pretty hard into jedi-thinking. I take offense to anyone claiming jedi is the endgame... it could be now, but dont expect it to stay that way. Having watched the jedi profession unfold over the last two years I would expect you to realize that its only a matter of time before all jedi are 1:1 with other professions. So your grind is 100x harder, /cry ... get over it. You choose to do it, not us. The grind was meant to guarantee rarity, not the ability to pwn anyone not wielding a lightsaber.

Problem: Jedi are stronger than normal professions

Solution: Become a Jedi

If you can't see a problem in the above, then you need to step back from the game and think about other people for a change. This is what I call Viral Thinking, its only going to spiral out of control until we have a game completely filled with Jedi. Absolutely not any better is the Jedi thinking:

Problem: I, Jedi, just got beat by a professionX

Solution: Nerf ProfessionX

You want to talk numbers by suggesting that if a move can't be completely nullified then it should be nerfed? By that logic why dont we all go to MeleeHit and RangedHit attacks.... that way we wont have to hear about how the gall of some players actually using stronger attacks that can't be repelled by your mystical jedi.... Hint: moves are supposed to have a function, no one is going to buy an argument of "This move actually does something, make it go away."

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DagoolchStarrunner wrote:

Intimidate is pretty lame as it is, why nerf it more? it has succchhh a long cool-down.. it doesn't stick too well, and it doesn't change too much.

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er... you ever pvped vs a pikeman. intim hurts a lot, but i just use stablizers and clear it

No, I have no problems with these numbers. Suggesting a solution wherein our debuffs are completely negated by buffs is insulting, these moves are supposed to be at the heart of a pikemans skills, crowd control and limiting damage. Lots of pikemen have been talking about having these skills increased and when the first talk about a decrease shows up,who is it coming from? Jedi. Pikemen are not unbalanced, I know because Ive been beaten quite soundly by fencer/swordsman templates previously (I have a tkm/mpike/4000doc temp), the problem with the math you present is that it relies quite heavily on the fact that warcry/intim would be continuously operating and most of us can tell you that they are not as sticky as they appear to be. Intimidate in particular can be rather frustrating to apply, and warcry doesn't stay active for very long at all. Im sorry most jedi feel they deserve an "I win" button, but that is something that need not apply to us pike users. Complain to the devs about your diminishing skills or better yet, all the new jedi who are at the heart of those diminishing skills, but do not call for the negation of a profession that has nothing to do with you. None of us will go along with laying down to die whenever a lightsaber shows up.