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Thread: Are pikemen really as bad as people say?

DarthDoyle
Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:50 pm
#1

Because I've been wanting to do it for awhile.
The-Drax
Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:56 pm
#2

I havn't mastered this yet. But i'm having a blast with what i have 4, 2, 4, 2. (not wanting to drop CM) But Nothing better than seein surrounding mobs or players tumble when AOE kd connects. Its even better if they were dizzyed first.
DarthDoyle
Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:15 pm
#3

Thanks.
Bib-Fortuna
Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:22 pm
#4

Pikemen are very good if you play it well.


For instance in pvp if Im buffed I can use polearm hit 3 a few times. On people without melee mitigation 3 it does just over 900 damage a hit with my 3.0 speed 374 damage lva.


Pikeman is also quite accurate once you get support 2 for the 30 accuracy bonus (I believe its 30). At master I rarely miss.



Its my favorite class, but be warned, it does have some very major flaws, damage and defenses being 2 huge ones.



Lynisx
Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:35 pm
#5

There is nothing 'wrong' with Pikeman, and in some cases you WILL be better then other melee professions.

That said, 99% of the time you will find other melee elites outshining you slightly.



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HardwiredXMan
Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:29 pm
#6






Lynisx wrote:

There is nothing 'wrong' with Pikeman, and in some cases you WILL be better then other melee professions.

That said, 99% of the time you will find other melee elites outshining you slightly.







Haha....you obviously haven't been a fencer before......defensively, yes fencers outshine any melee class.....everything else from fencer is childsplay compared to pikeman.....pike's outdamage fencers 3 - 1......just they only have 1 damage type while fencers have 2....but pike's get AP2 weapons and fencers only get 1 very weak AP1 weapon.....it kind of balances out just a small bit...if you want to call fencer damage of 1300 (scatterhit2) pikeman damage 3000 (polearmhit2) balanced...LOL


But your right, there is nothing wrong with pikeman.....

signal1941
Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:13 pm
#7

pikeman has 3 damage types kinetic, electricity and the obscenely rare energy



Takro Kest
HardwiredXMan
Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:29 pm
#8






signal1941 wrote:
pikeman has 3 damage types kinetic, electricity and the obscenely rare energy





LOL....I just notice that the VL is electricity a few minutes ago when I was wondering why I was causing zero (overhead floaty) damageto a nightsister....man I feel like a noob...all this time and I thought it was kinetic...Hehehe
ASK47
Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:11 am
#9

Pikeman isnt as bad as people say if used well and even more so when added with some other mele profs. The main point is that at master pikeman, you dont become the so called "uber" bralwer that most tk's assume they are (imo fencer owns them). Pikeman is the thinking mans bralwer profession, not a simple case of "this is my best move, let me spam it"; but needing more status effects to win a fight. If you stack it with other brawlers, you can give any mele template a run for thier money


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annelid0
Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:48 am
#10

It's all just a scam to keep our numbers low.

When nobody's around we kill krayts in 3 swings.



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Grumpy Old Pikeman
Masochistic Wookiee

TheNola
Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:09 pm
#11


I've heard a lot of rumors saying pikeman is broken and that it sucks to pieces - But it is not broken, and it does not suck at all.


Well, that was just what a little cube told me to do. It didn't make me go "awwww #^$&#*$^#(@%!!!" or anything. In fact, I was like you, I've always wanted to do that profession.


Today, I mastered pikeman, and oh god, speed makessuch a big difference. I went up the stances tree last.. and I trained Master Polearm Stances and Master Pikeman today. That +25 to speed sure makes a huge difference. I am loving it.

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Kingrat66
Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:01 pm
#12

i want what hes having /\ /\ /\



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Lynisx
Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:55 pm
#13






HardwiredXMan wrote:





Lynisx wrote:

There is nothing 'wrong' with Pikeman, and in some cases you WILL be better then other melee professions.

That said, 99% of the time you will find other melee elites outshining you slightly.







Haha....you obviously haven't been a fencer before......defensively, yes fencers outshine any melee class.....everything else from fencer is childsplay compared to pikeman.....pike's outdamage fencers 3 - 1......just they only have 1 damage type while fencers have 2....but pike's get AP2 weapons and fencers only get 1 very weak AP1 weapon.....it kind of balances out just a small bit...if you want to call fencer damage of 1300 (scatterhit2) pikeman damage 3000 (polearmhit2) balanced...LOL


But your right, there is nothing wrong with pikeman.....








Go duel a Master Fencer and come back and tell me who won.

Yes, I have played a fencer (although admitly not to master) and I am aware they are considerably weaker in some respects to Pikeman, however your examples of damage based on Polearmhit2 and scatterhit2 are somewhat off, given that with the low weapon speeds on fencer they basicly hit their speed cap without needing +mods and therefore their hit3 is more DPS then our hit3 without skill mods (again, I have never been Master Fencer, so this information is subject to fauliblity) and again, Fencers are far stronger in PvP then we are.


I'm not saying we're better then them or worse off then them, really both Fencers and Pikeman need some help. It's just IMO Pikeman is slightly weaker on a whole then all melee professions with the exception of a few cases(slaughtering 10 tuskens in seconds with a 500 max VL while your TKM friend is struggling on his second is fun).




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