Pikeman Archive
Thread: Gunman, regarding tuning down pike dots
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maxximusmarshallias
Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:21 pm
#1
In a thread that was titled something like "Temp pike fixes untill cb revamp" you stated that you also asked for pike dots to be tuned down so pike is no longer a fotm. First of all, to inform you of my background, I am a master pikeman, with some medic, tka, and fencer for defense and heals. Pikes are the only weapons I use and have. I also have a long vibro axe that has a max damage of around 1150 which is one of the best I've seen on my server, and to tell you the truth it is a worthless piece of junk in pvp. I can't do enough damage with it to even warrent it's use, so I have to use dots in pvp, no other way to do it. If these are reduced a true pikeman will not be able to compete in pvp at all. You also said in that same thread that weapons won't be adjusted till the combat revamp, so adjusting the AP level of LVA's or what have you, doesn't seem like a possilbiltiy. If pike dots are reduced you'll be getting your wish of not having pikeman being "fotm" but that is only because it will be completely useless, except for PVE, which I don't think this revamp is about. To me a combat revamp should be about PVP, not loot rates and that kind of stuff.
Is it possible to add some kind of dot modifier that does something like a dot tick at 25% at novice pike, and go up a tree untill it hits 100% tick at master pikeman, that may help some with the "fotm" tag?
All I am asking, is for you to not ask for us to be nerfed unless we get something combat=pvp related in return. I also know this will get flamed by some pikeman whom act as if it's some sort of badge of honor they wear, not wanting anydots and to be nerfed more so they can be among the dozen or so pikeman left on their server. But, I think if you ask most pikeman they would be against having dots reduced or untill they reduce all dots for cm's and pistols, etc. and give us some sort of weapon that can do damage in pvp.
Maxximus
Ahazi
Message Edited by maxximusmarshallias on 07-19-2004 06:25 PM
Oberon131313
Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:01 pm
#3
DOTs are the ONLY combat related mechanic in the game that don't receive the 75% reduction of damage for PvP...
Why wouldn't you want this?
And, a majority of the posters here DO want a DOT nerf.
and btw, he doesn't want a DOT nerf just for us, he wants a poison/disease nerf for everyone.
maxximusmarshallias
Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:18 pm
#4
His post didn't say reducing dots for everyone, it only said for pikes. And from what I have read, the dev's have said that cm dots are not going to be nerfed. So, why nerf just us? I'm all for it, if they nerf every dot in the game, but don't nerf our dot's without at least giving us something back offensive that does damage in pvp in return.
Maxximus
riseabove
Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:22 pm
#5
Im a pikeman...dotwhore to the max. Any SANE pikeman wanting to pvp uses dots.
Im also an advocate for the COMPLETE removal of dots from the game, dots and lightsabers are what does damage in pvp, tone down armor, remove dots, make mind healable, 3 fixes and combat balance is 90% done right there......
Oberon131313
Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:45 pm
#6
I believe it's implied that he wants a DOT nerf for all professions...
and the Devs are looking into a 75% reduction, as well as innoculations and area cures...
Envoy3113
Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:00 am
#7
If mitigation is removed then the dots can be removed.
Even with the to-hit changes there are untouchable templates.
I'm for a reduction, but it would certainly need to be across the boards and we need to loose mitigation.
I still think it's insane that after a year of being useless we are asking to be nerfed back into the stone age once again.
maxximusmarshallias
Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:14 pm
#8
Several times the devs have stated that the strength of cm dots are not a problem and they have no plans in reducing them. The cm corespondant has never mentioned wanting a reduction in cm dot strength. They are talking about adding area cures and innoculations, but if your not a doctor area cures aren't going to help you. And regarding innoculations they are pushing that they have a "change" of reducing dot damage, and they aren't talking any stats near 75%. A reduction in dot damage needs to be across all professions and weapons, otherwise why nerf just Pikeman back to where we are worthless again.
Maxximus
StikerRunningfly
Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:00 am
#9
You guys should really read the post that Gunman made. He says nothing at all about reducing the effect of DOTs.
Forgot to add that I also asked the looted dots to be turned down so we can lose the mini-cm/fotm tag.
Mos Eisley Syndicate
I believe he is referring to the frequency ofNS DOTlance drops so that pikeman remains a true, respectable profession. He didn't say "eliminate them" or "nerf DOTs". He wants those of us who are pikemen to be able to do our profession without having every FOTMer dabbling in pike just for that fire/disease/poison lance that they happened to loot while looking for crystals for their jedi. I find nothing wrong with his request, and I support it. DOT lances are way too easy to come by.
Gunman21
Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:04 pm
#10
I had a focus thread on dots a few weeks ago and the concensus was that they need to be nerfed.
Our profession has taken a wrong turn because of the dots. Pikeman (or any other profession for that matter) shouldn't be about who spends the most credits orwho spends the most time killing nightsisters toobtain that uber lance that's going to make them the uber pvp player of thier server.
Our profession has some big problems, but leaning on dotsisn't the right answer.
Gunman21
Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:14 pm
#11
Also, we'll be getting other fixes to help us out, I seriously doubt that they'll only swing at our dots with the fixes. It's also possible that they don't touch the dots. I haven't been told what fixes are scheduled yet.
Astute
Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:11 pm
#12
Untill they give us more inert defenses, and give us a viable weaponoption to pvp with, (My 1076 max lva is only good on ranged) leaning on dots is the right answer. Anything less makes us worthless.
Gunman21 wrote:
I had a focus thread on dots a few weeks ago and the concensus was that they need to be nerfed.
Our profession has taken a wrong turn because of the dots. Pikeman (or any other profession for that matter) shouldn't be about who spends the most credits orwho spends the most time killing nightsisters toobtain that uber lance that's going to make them the uber pvp player of thier server.
Our profession has some big problems, but leaning on dotsisn't the right answer.
Message Edited by Astute on 07-21-2004 05:12 PM
StikerRunningfly
Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:47 pm
#13
Astute wrote:
Untill they give us more inert defenses, and give us a viable weaponoption to pvp with, (My 1076 max lva is only good on ranged) leaning on dots is the right answer. Anything less makes us worthless.
Gunman21 wrote:
I had a focus thread on dots a few weeks ago and the concensus was that they need to be nerfed.
Our profession has taken a wrong turn because of the dots. Pikeman (or any other profession for that matter) shouldn't be about who spends the most credits orwho spends the most time killing nightsisters toobtain that uber lance that's going to make them the uber pvp player of thier server.
Our profession has some big problems, but leaning on dotsisn't the right answer.
Message Edited by Astute on 07-21-2004 05:12 PM
If you need to rely on DOTs as the only reason why you are a pikeman, then perhaps you should find a different profession. I would suggest combat medic if you want DOTs.
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