Pikeman Archive
Thread: No Dot's in PvP
if you have a 900 damage pike, you WILL be god....against ranged players w/o melee mitation & w/ crap armor.
USMC-5711 wrote:
Hey all, just had a random thought float into my head. How many of you if any engage in PvP without using any Dot/Fire pikes? If your lucky enough to have a 900+ damage pike that has no dot, do you find that to be sufficient enough to kill other players? I'm just thinking about the combat revamp. I have no idea what it holds, but in the back of my mind, I keep thinking DoT's will either be effected by the 75% reduction, or by some other means will be made less effective than they are now. I can appreciate the value of DoT's, but I myself have never liked using them; I wonder if it is possible to put up a good fight without the use of them as a Pikeman?
yeah....in high end Pvp its Dots or don't bother. even with the 1000 damage pikes...against an armored melee, you still won't do well.
I know beocuse mine is like 500 max damage and can't break one hundred damage with hit three on the occasion that it hits.
This evening on Ahzi we were down in thh geos just looting like usual. When 3 bounty hunters, 1 padawan, 1 doc/fencer came crashing into the merc room where we had been fighting. Instantly I pull out my Energy Lance [disease/poison], Vibro Lance [mind fire] basically trying to give them as much hell as I can before they obviously take out myself and my friend the dark jedi. Before we were slain I was able to get off enough DOT effects to kill the intial attackers and those who werenot killed were finished off by the overwhelming numbers of spawned creatures.
Total Dmg inflicted from pikes: 5 players x5 solid hits = +-500dmg {Area}
DOT dmg inflicted from pikes: 5 players + 212dmg tick mindfire + 250dmg tick mindpoison = OWNAGE
As you probably guessed our only dmg comes from DOT effects. I have been doing pvp for many months now and this is the only profession that I have struggled with in real combat situation. I have been trying to put as much as I can into this profession to better myself but when a TKM against full comp using VK's and unarmedhit3 hits for 300-400dmgand my pike with 1.7speed 700dmg hits for 30-150dmg its nearly impossible for a pikeman to win without having strong DOT's.
If anyone else has had better success using certain attacks or different pikes please let us know cause as of right now I think alot of us are in the dark how such an amazing profession,which the devs put a good amount of time in working with our animations and such, could get the shaft when it comes to actual pvp fighting.
BlackSyth
MasterPike-Ahzi Finest 
Hamrick wrote:
If they reduce DoT's in PvP by 75% or any sufficent % .. I will most likely quit this game .. I've spent millions upon millions of credits on DoT weapons just for pvp purposes and to lose all that effort and time would piss me off to no extent .. pikeman cant PvP for shizzle without Dots .. I have an 800 dmgpike and against a full suite of comp armorits pretty useless, I seriosly hope they consider what that nerf would do to pikeman before they impliment it!
#1- Wah
#2 - I'm surprised a certain master ranter hasn't flamed the crap out of you
#3 - It needs to be done. The fact is that DoTs are the single most powerful element in PvP. EVERYTHING damagewise is reduced in effectiveness in PvP, from a pikeman's Hit 3, to a Pistoleer's Health Shot. DoTs are not, and it's stupidity for a combat medic to be able to kill a group of people at 90m with a single blow.
I'm pretty sure they're not going to nerf DoTs before they look at other issues, but if it does happen, so be it... I'd rather have a tougher time doing damage, than have PvP as it is now... dropped in 5 seconds because of a mind DoT. Chances are, you'll see a major nerf to Composite down the pike, which would be VERY welcome by me... that will help all classes fight in PvP, including Pikemen. Who knows what'll be next, but regardless, a DoT nerf NEEDS TO HAPPEN. Like.. NOW.
You ah... do know that TKs get Intimidate, too, right..?
JohnyBGood wrote:
I don't know what your problem with TKA is: 1 intimidate and you regenerate faster than he can hurt you. TKA has NO dot damage 70% of the hits go to health which can take 3000 buffs AND is healable. TKA has accuracy and speed but if you can't kill a TKA (who by the way hits VS 80% kinetic composite) then you're missing the essential weapons. TKA has nice meditation skill but that doesn't help against fire
My problem with pikeman is the low speed/accuracy.
but on the flip side a nice pike with mind fire can be bought for funny sums .
anyway if you don't like pikeman you can always drop the skill
cheers mates
Hamrick wrote:If they reduce DoT's in PvP by 75% or any sufficent % .. I will most likely quit this game .. I've spent millions upon millions of credits on DoT weapons just for pvp purposes and to lose all that effort and time would piss me off to no extent ..
I love posts like that. Half the people in here have been pikemen since the days of -55 accuracy LVAs, bone armor, insignificant looted weapons, and rare buffs. Do the people who threaten to quit really think some FotM dotmonkey who tried to buy his way to uberness is going to be missed? Nobody cares if you quit.
DoTs are the only way we can win in PvP right now, since PvP is basically broken. If DoTs get nerfed before we get fixed, so be it. It needs to be done.
annelid0 wrote:
I love posts like that. Half the people in here have been pikemen since the days of -55 accuracy LVAs, bone armor, insignificant looted weapons, and rare buffs. Do the people who threaten to quit really think some FotM dotmonkey who tried to buy his way to uberness is going to be missed? Nobody cares if you quit.
DoTs are the only way we can win in PvP right now, since PvP is basically broken. If DoTs get nerfed before we get fixed, so be it. It needs to be done.
