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mafia-man

Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:04 pm

Are pikeman with a nice DOT lance vs. just an average jedi a good fight? would pikeman win?

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King_Lion

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:23 pm

#2

im still struggling with these jedi kinghts i have a action poison dot on 717 that stacks on first hit and it last hole fight =D i am also master pike/master doc. with my dot draining action i also hit with my LVA on 800 in max dmg and i leave a good while..but i often play very defensive against em, stille the worst thing jedi hates is warcry

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King_Lion

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:25 pm

#3

ohh btw im not speed caped or capped on accurucy but with my dots to help i do pretty good job against the jedis

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capzyL

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:50 pm

#4

pikeman is prolly the best profession vs a good jedi, they should lose vs a good pikeman, always, if your not wining your doing something wrong

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Jedi1006

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:35 pm

#5

well mind fire is the best jedi killer available atm. i beat jedi knights and padawans all the time (only 178 strength, 60% potency, also but 301 duration). its those darn master healers and guardians that kill me

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capzyL

Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:26 am

#6

well mind fire is the best jedi killer available atm. i beat jedi knights and padawans all the time (only 178 strength, 60% potency, also but 301 duration). its those darn master healers and guardians that kill me

Not true, a fire to any other pool is actualy beter vs jedi. It costs the jedi more force to heal H and A, then M. So you generaly want to use a healt or action fire/poison lance with hight dmg for fighting jedis.

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1StarNinja

Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:36 am

#7

capzyL wrote:

well mind fire is the best jedi killer available atm. i beat jedi knights and padawans all the time (only 178 strength, 60% potency, also but 301 duration). its those darn master healers and guardians that kill me

Not true, a fire to any other pool is actualy beter vs jedi. It costs the jedi more force to heal H and A, then M. So you generaly want to use a healt or action fire/poison lance with hight dmg for fighting jedis.

Actually that's not true. The force cost is the same no matter the pool that is healed. The only difference is Master Healer where the a totalheal Force cost is dependant upon how much damage and how many states (i ncluding fire) need to be healed.

Mind fire IS the best because of a couple of reasons. 1) The mind pool generally is smaller than the others. 2) the regen rate on the mind pool is lower than the others.

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VacaXXX

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:05 am

#8

i use an action poison and an action fire when i PvP but last time a fought a jedi. i used Teras Kasi Artist and headhitted him to death.....of couse he sucked so it wasnt much of a fight............

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capzyL

Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:50 pm

#9

capzyL wrote:

well mind fire is the best jedi killer available atm. i beat jedi knights and padawans all the time (only 178 strength, 60% potency, also but 301 duration). its those darn master healers and guardians that kill me

Not true, a fire to any other pool is actualy beter vs jedi. It costs the jedi more force to heal H and A, then M. So you generaly want to use a healt or action fire/poison lance with hight dmg for fighting jedis.

Actually that's not true. The force cost is the same no matter the pool that is healed. The only difference is Master Healer where the a totalheal Force cost is dependant upon how much damage and how many states (i ncluding fire) need to be healed.

Mind fire IS the best because of a couple of reasons. 1) The mind pool generally is smaller than the others. 2) the regen rate on the mind pool is lower than the others.

I stand corected on that point, how ever mind targeting hits is some of the weakest hits in the game compared to the "master box" attacks. So dmg wise other attacks should be prefered

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1StarNinja

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:52 pm

#10

capzyL wrote:

capzyL wrote:

well mind fire is the best jedi killer available atm. i beat jedi knights and padawans all the time (only 178 strength, 60% potency, also but 301 duration). its those darn master healers and guardians that kill me

Not true, a fire to any other pool is actualy beter vs jedi. It costs the jedi more force to heal H and A, then M. So you generaly want to use a healt or action fire/poison lance with hight dmg for fighting jedis.

Actually that's not true. The force cost is the same no matter the pool that is healed. The only difference is Master Healer where the a totalheal Force cost is dependant upon how much damage and how many states (i ncluding fire) need to be healed.

Mind fire IS the best because of a couple of reasons. 1) The mind pool generally is smaller than the others. 2) the regen rate on the mind pool is lower than the others.

I stand corected on that point, how ever mind targeting hits is some of the weakest hits in the game compared to the "master box" attacks. So dmg wise other attacks should be prefered

Regarding weapon specials against a Jedi, you are right for sure definately just go all out and use your most damaging one. The key is to do as much damage as fast as possible regardless of the pool it goes too.

When it comes to dots though it's different. A dot will tick for the same amount each time on a single pool and is tehrefore potentially more damaging to mind given the regen. Lets take Pikeman for example.

Leghit3 is a pool specific attack. By doing this you are only damaging one pool on the Jedi and it would allow them to use a lower forcecure special which could of course would help them out in the long run (in this case your first post was correct). Using your most damaging but not pool specific attack (It's been a year since I've been a Master Pikeman so I forget the special names). you hurt multiple pools which does cost more force to heal as it is a different heal special.

When it comes to a Dot though you definately are better off with a mind dot. I would rate a 300 tick mind poison worse than say a 500 health poison when it comes to Jedi just because you have less of a regen.Addon Musician buffs toss in two Brandy and you have a approx 2K Willpower buff depending on species. It still doesn't get near the regen just a Doc buff does to your secondary regen stats. (I do 2200 easily w/o Bivoli with my alt).

IMO: Slightly lower rated dots on the mind > Higher rated dots on Health or Action but higher damage Attack > pool specific attack.

Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense or it's garbled a bit, I'm at work typing this up

I'll float this thread in case someone is confused by what I just said, cause I'm sure I am confusing now lol

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Neutronos

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:16 am

#11

Dots arent really needed 1on1 on a jedi. Get a decent Highdmg LVAand pound away with some warcry and by all means remember - Intimidate is your best friend!

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zolar-1

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:46 am

#12

Question:

I ama wookie master pike - have been since i started the game- and I have talked with a couple of guys about the use of WARCRY... I know that it is supposed to freeze your opponent for like 20 sec or so (i am a master brawler). But I have NEVER seen this actually work. I have been told if they are DOT'ed that it doesnt work, but i have tried it with no DOT. They never stop hitting me, it has no effect that I can discern, I review the combat log and it never shows me getting more hits than normal.

Any advice would be appreciated...

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annelid0

Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:38 pm

#13

zolar-1 wrote:
Question:

I am a wookie master pike - have been since i started the game- and I have talked with a couple of guys about the use of WARCRY... I know that it is supposed to freeze your opponent for like 20 sec or so (i am a master brawler). But I have NEVER seen this actually work. I have been told if they are DOT'ed that it doesnt work, but i have tried it with no DOT. They never stop hitting me, it has no effect that I can discern, I review the combat log and it never shows me getting more hits than normal.

Any advice would be appreciated...

The delay effect from warcry now breaks if they take any damage. If you warcry them then hit them, they'll immediately resume hitting you again. If you warcry then peace, they shouldn't be able to attack until it wears off (unless they're bleeding or otherwise DoTted).

The Wookiee racial bonus to warcry used to be worth something, now warcry itself is mostly useless.

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