Musician Archive

I'm with most everyone in not liking the fact that I need to get Dance to earn Master Entertainer.I want Master Image Design so that doesnt' bother me, but I can see how it would bother others. I have come up with a valid reason for why you need them. First it says "Master Entertainer" so you can justify the Hair Style as saying, any good entertainer should beable to do his/her own make-up and hair. As for Dance well think about most bands you see, the really good ones not only play good music but they dance to it as well (think Elvis "The Pelvis" Presliy). This part should seem reasonable to most people as simple reasoning of why we need these skills (In a RolePlaying sort of way). The next part might be hard to wrap your mind around.

Why do we need Master Entertainer to learn to pay the New Instrament and learn a new song? Ahh the real question. Well lets say that when you learn the new song and instrament you aggrea to only teach to others who have dedicated there life to entertainment in various forms. Sort of like how magicans don't give up there good tricks master entertainers don't teach what makes them special.

Having said all that I would much rather see somethinglike a special lighting effect for the Master Entertainer that is always on, sort of like they always have a spot light on them so that they stick out in a crowded Cantina. this is something that will help them earn tips as they stick out from other musicans/dancers. Then you can move the song and instrament into the musican line.

I like it very much.

As a M A S T E R E N T E R T A I N E R it kind of makes sense that you heh.. "master" every basic entertainment line in the game. I like it that there are dances, instruments and songs that you can only get as a master entertainer. Being a ME should come with very nice and solid rewards that other players envy. As a person working very hard an ME and then master musician, I am very happy that it takes work and that the rewards are nice.

Sel

The trazz or another slitherhorn variation should be at master entertainer NOT the ONLY stringed instrument in the game. As master musician I feel cheated about having to spend another 20 points on something I'll never use such as dance or hair styling. Dancers have variations on dances they already have yet the devs screwed musicians over FORCING them to blow the points on worthless skills to get the instrument.This MUST be addressed.

Bah, whatever. I see it completely differently. It's good that master entertainer MEANS something. And believe me, as a novice dancer I promise you getting the second level dances is something just as important to most dancers as the instrument. Formal and Footloose look so horrible that they are embarassing to perform without getting the second level steps.

It is a good thing that master entertainer includes special elements not availible otherwise. The only change I would recommend to balance it out is to add a unique dance that only ME's have as well, NOT take anything away from ME's.

Muscians already have more songs than dancers have dances, and they have multiple instruments to vary things up even more. I'm not real compassionate about laments over the cost of ME to musicians, and I'm very much looking forward to being a ME because I want to dance and be master musician.

And please, don't call other professions worthless. It's not more or less worthless than your musicianship in the grand scheme of things.

Sel

Forgive me, my "bah, whatever" sounded curt. I just got done dealing with some less than nice folks hehe.

The rest of my post however, I mean. We disagree on this.. I'm very much looking forward to ME in addition to MM and part of the reason is because it holds unique rewards that I desire as a musician, it makes it tantilizing. Simply having ME include non-unique instrument designs is not enough of a reward for going ME.

Sel

---

Bah, whatever. I see it completely differently. It's good that master entertainer MEANS something. And believe me, as a novice dancer I promise you getting the second level dances is something just as important to most dancers as the instrument. Formal and Footloose look so horrible that they are embarassing to perform without getting the second level steps.

---

So true. The flourishes are the same for both versions of the dances, but the basic steps in formal and footlose are just terrible.

Noone says Master Entertainer should not mean something. The disagreement is that Master Entertainer should mean you can play an entire CLASS of instrument a Master Musician cannot.

There have been good suggestions for other unique things a Master Entertainer could do, that do not take away from any of the advanced professions while still setting a Master Entertainer apart.

• Juggling, another Skill Animation that can be "watched" for entertainment healing
  
• Four or six Tumbling moves, like handstands, cartwheels and rolls
  
• Firetwirling, with a schematic for a "flaming staff" and a schematic for a "flaming bolas"
  
• Reserve the /sing, /rap, /recite et al commands for Master Entertainers
  

Any combination of these things would give MEs something unique and interesting, WITHOUT cutting into other already woefully shallow professions.

So, to put it back to you, why is it you think that an ME needs to take something away from the Musician profession in order to mean something?

Just to add on liquids monkee's thing, about light show things. I think it would be awsome like on a stage in a theater or hotel, like a trap, you build a certain light show. like if anyone ever saw a queen concert, they had smoke and lights and lights and more lights nearly the whole performance. i dont know, i think that would be really cool.

• Juggling, another Skill Animation that can be "watched" for entertainment healing
  
  
• Four or six Tumbling moves, like handstands, cartwheels and rolls
  
  
• Firetwirling, with a schematic for a "flaming staff" and a schematic for a "flaming bolas"
  
  
• Reserve the /sing, /rap, /recite et al commands for Master Entertainers

yes, pack Master Entertainer with fifty different things, give them light shows and dry ice and tumbling and juggling and firetwirling and plate twirling and party favors and more chat options and new poses, and give them magic tricks like levitating ppl and making ppl disappear (temporarily) in a puff of smoke, and give them a /dance command that actually works on the targetted character up to Dance IV, and give them ventriloquism and mind reading (so they can read your mindpool hehe), and give them schematics for equipable microphones and boomboxes and canes for tap dancing.

but please. put the musician and dancing rewards in the musician and dancing professions : )

This thread is about image design and dance being a part of master entertainer... not about your desires to have mandoviol.

I heartily agree that the mandoviol "penalty" to pure musicians should be removed and completely support the proposal to add exotic flourishes, effects and whatnot to the master entertainer instead. The mandoviol remains my favorite instrument (with some of the more amusing flousih motions), and I HATED having to dance to be able to get it. I never plan to dance again and wish I'd never had to in the first place. Image Design I'm not sure about yet, as I'm toying with it, but there's no need to force a musician to need to know hairstyling to be able to play the one and only stringed instrument in the game. I do NOT want to be a Master Entertainer. I never did. I had, in fact, skipped it originally until I found out about the mandoviol and ceremonial song requirement.

Penalizing a player who wants to role-play a pure Musician is wrong. I can just imagine the howl of outrage if SWG had placed the exotic dance as a Master Entertainer-Only reward, forcing dancers to waste skill points in musician and image design that they have no desire to. I have other interests that I'd like to use those dancing (and perhaps Image Designing) skill points in, and I rather resent being forced to do things I don't like to get something I should have when I eventually possess the rank of Master Musician.

Allura WindSinger, Mandoviol Lover of Naboo, Intrepid

"So, to put it back to you, why is it you think that an ME needs to take something away from the Musician profession in order to mean something?"

Because I believe not becoming a MASTER entertainer means there should be things in your chosen line that you don't... master.

The only people who believe the mandoviol should be available only to Master Entertainers are... Master Entertainers. Heh, fancy that. No matter how many times you make the "ME should mean something" argument it still does *not* change the fact that having an instrument unavailable to a *Master Musician* makes zero sense. Period.