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Thread: A Master Entertainer / Master Musician speaks out...
For the last time, so no one is confused as to where I stand on the Mandovil issue.....
I am dead set against giving the Mandovil to the Master Musicians. You say, 'Well Durney, you are just upset that "when" they give us the Mandovil, you will feel like you have been cheated for having had to "waste" so many skill points'. To which I say, pure poppycock. Yes I would be upset at having had to skill up, and "waste" as you said, so many points. But you know, I don't feel like I wasted anything as is.
The Mandovil is, to me, the ultimate reward for having gone Master Entertainer. At the moment it IS the class defining item. I disliked the dancing, but using a Mandovil you dance around quite a bit, it has awesome flourishes. As far as Image Design. I love changing my eye color, and I used to change my hair styles on a whim, whatever mood struck me. Since I did not go Master ID, i leave my hair alone now a days, so as not to incure daily expenses fixing my hair.
Again I say, just because the Mandovil was usable in Beta by Master Musicians, i reply, so what. This is release and it was put where it is to encourage a totally different kind of character. I enjoy soloing as much as the next person, but I really get into the energy and excitement from a full Cantina, Hotel, what have you. All the people, dozens of different conversations going, keeping an eye on the door, so you can hopefully greet the newest patron. Carrying on conversations with established patrons to see how they are, and if they are having a good time. making sure that we try to live up to our namesakes as Master Entertainers.
If the entertainer gig missions turn out to be well paying, so that i can spend an hour or two running missions, then the rest of my time I can go entertain, i will be very happy, so happy that i will give up my combat skills and resume my original merchant ways. I have various "specs" that will suit the environment. If nothing changes with the money we make, I am slowly but surely making my way up the pistoleer tree and will be a master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Pistoleer.
Why would you want that spec you ask? Because i like money. I I were paid accordingly, liek I said, I would dump the combat skills, but I evolved my spec and plan on being a Peace Keeper in my PA's Cantina. Nothing Wrong with that, eh?
So to sum up in a few sentances....Durney hates the idea of moving the Mandovil to Master Musician because the Mandovil defines the Master Entertainer. I have already posted my thoughts about what i think needs to be fixed, in regards to other matters, in other posts and hopefully, this is the last time i say a word on this particular subject.
If you just read all that, I commend you. I don' think i can be much plainer spoken than that.
Thanks for listening,
Durney Kova - Master Entertainer / Master Musician - Lowca
Personally, I agree with this. I'm not an ME, nor can really "afford" to and do the other sort of things I really enjoy. However, I have great respect for those that do though, because you have a dedication to entertainment as a whole, in a game where the greatest reward for this dedication is really measured mostly by what players put into it themselves
I can accept that I'll not be playing a stringed instrument until such time as one gets added to the advanced ranks (or they advance musician higher to incorporate it). But as a "Master Musician" in a game that rewards linear rank, lacking a middle-level song doesn't feel right.
If alot of people in the Master Musician class want a stringed instrument how bout a harp? Im a master entertainer and that wouldn't bother me as long as it isnt a guitar. But then again if they get 2master specific instruments then the master entertainers would need something else at thier master level. Maybe not an instrument but something comparable.
I think its fine the way it is. If anything give the Master Musicians another song exclusive to thier rank.
I agree. the mando is a nice bonus for master ent.
I would love to be able to purchase more flos, instruments, songs post master musician with extramusic xp we accrue.(say 100k xpper) I dont think it should cost skill pts though as it would then preclude you from getting decent with any other profession
Cudayn wrote:
....Durney hates the idea of moving the Mandovil to Master Musician because the Mandovil defines the Master Entertainer.
Doesn't it bother you that the one thing that defines Master Entertainer is an instrament? What about Master Dancer/Master Entertainer? Why should they be defined by the Mandovil? And what about the ever rare Master Image Designer / Master Entertainer? Why are they definied by the Mandovil?
The only reason people are happy with having the Mandovil in Master Entertainer is because it lets them gloat over Master Musicans. I say this because as I've said before Iplan to hold ME/MM and I feel that I'm getting cheated in the ME area! If I'm a MM I should have all the instraments and songs. If I'm aME I should get some bonus that defines the class of ME as aposed to turining ME into the true Master Musician.
LiquidMonkey wrote:
Cudayn wrote:
....Durney hates the idea of moving the Mandovil to Master Musician because the Mandovil defines the Master Entertainer.Doesn't it bother you that the one thing that defines Master Entertainer is an instrament? What about Master Dancer/Master Entertainer? Why should they be defined by the Mandovil? And what about the ever rare Master Image Designer / Master Entertainer? Why are they definied by the Mandovil?
The only reason people are happy with having the Mandovil in Master Entertainer is because it lets them gloat over Master Musicans. I say this because as I've said before Iplan to hold ME/MM and I feel that I'm getting cheated in the ME area! If I'm a MM I should have all the instraments and songs. If I'm aME I should get some bonus that defines the class of ME as aposed to turining ME into the true Master Musician.
'nuff said man, 'nuff said.
I like the harp idea... Vibro-Harp? Maybe if they bumped all of the Musician instruments down and put the one in the fourth tree above the 'kalu horn, we'd be fine...
Bah the mandoviol should be moved to the master Musicain tree. How can I make a instrument and have no idea how to play it? IMO all the music and all the dance should be moved off ME and something else put there like more worthless visual effects to "entertain" the crowd. As for the reward for the hard work of being a ME " thats just crap. I made ME 2 days after I made MM. Ithen sold it back a week later to learn combat skills.
Snorf
By SOE's very definition of a Master Musician, a MM knows all the songs and can play all the instruments. I would ask you to answer a question for me. Why do you think that it is fair to give ME a modified version of a dance that dancers already have, but give them a song and an instrument that musicians can't have unless they get ME? Another good question is what benefit does an Image Designer gain from getting ME. I really think that SOE needs to re-think their approach to providing an incentive to getting ME. I don't think that taking skills away from elite professions is a good idea. They could come up with some ingenious ideas to make all the entertainers want to get ME instead of just the musicians. How many non-musicians are interested in getting ME? How many musicians are only interested because of the mando and the ceremonial song? From what I've read and seen in game, (at least on my server) there are many more musicians wanting ME for the mando and song than there are ID's and Dancers for any reason.
Sure the mando and song are incentive for people, butthe onlythings that make the ME unique,is themusician related benfits. How does that make sense to for anyone but the musicians to really want it? I'm really confused as to your logic, it just doesn't sound logical to me to keep them in ME....
Staburaz wrote:How can I make a instrument and have no idea how to play it?
Snorf
I know a lot of violin makers that can't play beyond two notes. I know a guitar maker that can't play one. Stringed instrument making is carpentry. Trumpet making is metalurgy and metal crafting. Clarinets and flutes require some intricate parts, as do electric guitars. Instrument repair and instrument crafting is not equal to playing ability.
You may have rudimentary knowlege of how to play a mandoviol, but only a Master can play it well. And I'll bring it up again that our avatars are currently savants that never miss a single note (vs. the Master dancers that stumble on basic 1).
I believe that most people don't understand that Master Entertainer was meant to be a class of its own. If you really think about it, a Master Entertainer can dance, play music, and do some image design. It truly is the master of entertainment in this sense. Its when you take on the elite profession in that hierarchy that you start to specialize and not generalize.
So, there needs to be some incentive to get master entertainer. I do agree that master entertainer seems to lean heavily toward the musician because of the unique instrument and song, whereas dancers don't receive comparable dances and image designers are really out of luck. This needs to be worked on. I see the only people getting master entertainer are those musicians who want the song and instrument. I'm not sure why dancer do it. I guess so that they can get all of the dances, even thosethat area different variation of what they can already can do.
Just remember that master entertainer was meant to stand on its own, so there needed to be some incentive to get it.