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Thread: Buff weirdness

Skuzz
Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:08 am
#1

Ok recently i have begun to have all sorts of weirdness happening with my master musician buffs. I supply most folks in my city with buffs on a very regular basis, i use a macro to give them the buff, nothing fancy just a simple one that cycles thru the flourishes in a orderly manner. Anyway, the problem is that sometimes it takes upwards of 15-17 minutes to get a full buff now. I used to give out full buffs in like 8 minutes, then it crept to 10 then 12 and now its at 15-17. Is anybody else experiencing this? In addition to this as of about a week ago when my toon flourishes he loses the action but doesn't do any animations. Ive checked with those watching and they arent seeing any animations either.

Any help with this would be greatly aprpeciated. Thanks!





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Echinacea
Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:25 pm
#2


I dunno, hon. I've been doing the FragPuppie Uber QuickBuff™since he put it out there. That one continues to work almost as well as it ever has (minus not being able to do it at the same time as a Dancer anymore because the buff code is "fragile" and the developers are too busy playing with their light sabers to do it up properly).

Message Edited by Echinacea on 09-09-2004 06:26 PM



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Cudayn
Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:37 pm
#3






Skuzz wrote:
Ok recently i have begun to have all sorts of weirdness happening with my master musician buffs. I supply most folks in my city with buffs on a very regular basis, i use a macro to give them the buff, nothing fancy just a simple one that cycles thru the flourishes in a orderly manner. Anyway, the problem is that sometimes it takes upwards of 15-17 minutes to get a full buff now. I used to give out full buffs in like 8 minutes, then it crept to 10 then 12 and now its at 15-17. Is anybody else experiencing this? In addition to this as of about a week ago when my toon flourishes he loses the action but doesn't do any animations. Ive checked with those watching and they arent seeing any animations either.

Any help with this would be greatly aprpeciated. Thanks!




I meant to reply to this earlier but i got sidetracked...sorry


I do not use a buff macro...i use a timer and just make sure i am almost constantly flourishing. I just have my patrons watch for 4 minutes and i have no problems. I did a couple just last night, so its not messed up for me.


Post your macro and let a few of the macro Gurus have a look at it.


Thats all I can think of at the moment......gotta run


Durney Kova


Master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Image Designer / Novice Dancer


Fragpuppie
Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:27 pm
#4






Skuzz wrote:
Ok recently i have begun to have all sorts of weirdness happening with my master musician buffs. I supply most folks in my city with buffs on a very regular basis, i use a macro to give them the buff, nothing fancy just a simple one that cycles thru the flourishes in a orderly manner. Anyway, the problem is that sometimes it takes upwards of 15-17 minutes to get a full buff now. I used to give out full buffs in like 8 minutes, then it crept to 10 then 12 and now its at 15-17. Is anybody else experiencing this? In addition to this as of about a week ago when my toon flourishes he loses the action but doesn't do any animations. Ive checked with those watching and they arent seeing any animations either.

Any help with this would be greatly aprpeciated. Thanks!





Well having seen almost every issue with buffs and flos, leeme throw out some ideas....


1- Are you grouped and someone else is doing bandflos?

2- Has someone in group done a /change recently? Are you /change bugged?


To troubleshoot the flos.....

1- Are you getting a "you perform a flourish message" or is it an error type of "you need to be playing to flourish" or "you do not have enough action to flourish" even if you are playing and have full action?

2- How simple is the macro? Just flos a pause and a repeat?

3- Do you have a /startband in your macro as opposed to /startmusic?


Check out the "Patent Pending Fragpuppie Uber 3:10 Quickbuff" thread for my ATK macro.


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Skuzz
Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:58 am
#5

Thanks frag for the assistance. Nothing is working yet tho. The only thing im missing is the animations. I burn the action and everything else but no flourish animations at all. This happens whether im in a group or not, and whether i use a macro or not. Since I've posted this thread I've been visited 3 times so far in game by csr's to help and they all say the same thing. "Check your option settings and make sure you have the 'show animations when talking' box selected. *rolls eyes* Soooo... anyone got any other suggestions? Im getting desperate...

Ps- Frag what is this /change thing you mentioned? im not familiar with what you are reffering to.





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Fragpuppie
Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:52 am
#6






Skuzz wrote:

Ps- Frag what is this /change thing you mentioned? im not familiar with what you are reffering to.




The /change bug will be when and if you are grouped with other musicians. Because you burn the action, it does not look to be a /change bug issue.


Here's what happens:



  1. You are in a group with other musicians

  2. For whatever reason you are not playing at this exact instant (Action, changing instruments, paused to teach)

  3. You have an instrument equiped (or targeted for Nal and Ommni)

  4. At that EXACT instant another musician in the band who is playing decides to /change to a song that you can play.

  5. You then begin the vamp annimation and play the vamp music, but you do not flourish. If you try to it says "you need to be skill annimating to flourish". You do not burnANY action or gain XP, and if you move you do not stop playing the vamp. The way to get out of it is to do a /stopmusic and then restartup playing. If someone does /stopband you do not stop. If everyone else stops (due to /stopband or any reason) then thenext person to start chooses the song, and it may not be the one you are playing. You will /change to any other song you can play, but you'll still be bugged. If someone /changes to a song you cannot play, you continue in the one you were playing, you do not stop playing like you should.

In XP groups, this bug is EVIL.


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Founding Member - Frag's Puppies
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NewJedi
Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:18 pm
#7

Also, are you grouping with your entertainer droid? Mine seems to interfere with my buff, so I just don't perform with him at all when I'm buffing. I think he doesn't interfere if I let him do effects while not grouped with me, but I'm not sure, because as always I have to rely on the customer to give me accurate info about whether the buff "takes." My latest series of buff failures puzzled me until I realized the recipient was typing /stop, not /stoplisten.


If you're not grouped, are you wearing anything unusual? Clothes with stat enhancements of any sort? Do you yourself have any wounds or whatnot? Are your recipients /listening and /stoplistening at the right times? And just how often are you flourishing?I'm not big on the speedbuff macros myself, just 'cuz it doesn't suit my playstyle, but when I have tried it, I've always found out the hard way that a /pause 8 is important among all those spammed flourishes. As Cudayn suggested, maybe you could post your buff macro, or what keystrokes you use if you're not macroing?


Also, what songs and instruments are you playing? Any more or less success with instruments that can be "equipped" (i.e., anything other than the ommni and nalargon)?


What are you using to keep your Action levels up? Got your Quickness/Stamina hiked up? Do you get a buff for the green bars?


Skuzz
Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:51 pm
#8

Wow you guys are really responsive here. You rock! 8)
Okay let me see if i can give any more details so you guys can possibly help me with this...

Buffing
- I can buff just fine, it just takes 16-18 minutes to give a full one to a group (passive) or an individual using the /setperf (active) methods. Up until a few weeks ago i could do a passive group buff in 8-10 minutes. That was before i got this weird bug.
- When buffing i have only been doing a flourish like every 4-5 seconds (roughly), but as I mentioned above im not seeing the animations for the flourishes and i strongly suspect that im not even doing them as far as the game is concerned. =(
- I dont use my entertainer droid when buffing.

The Flourish problem
- It doesnt matter what instrument I use, or what song I play, whether im grouped or solo, or whether I use a macro or handle the flourishes manually while I play... my master musician Toon no longer does the animations for ANY flourishes. I dont see them on my screen and those watching do not see them either. This started out of the blue about 2 weeks ago
- I have made new instruments, did a full filescan from game launcher, etc. but nothing has fixed this.
- last night I logged with my fiance's entertainer toon using my machine to see if it was a problem with my game files, but i could do and see all the animations and movements for all the flourishes as normal with her toon. I then logged back in with my master musician and it was the same as before. No flourish animations.

Phew! Does that help anymore folks? =/

Message Edited by Skuzz on 09-13-2004 01:53 PM

Message Edited by Skuzz on 09-13-2004 01:58 PM





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NewJedi
Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:04 pm
#9


Thanks for the further replies. A few follow-up thoughts:


1. One flourish every five seconds is a pretty slow rate of flourishing for buffing. That might explain why it's taking so long. The FragpuppieSpeedBuff(TM 2004 (c) Fragpuppie Industries Inc.) involves five flourishes every eight or ten seconds.


2. A few months ago, some Musicians reported the same problem you describe: no flourish animation. Furiae, on my server (Chilastra), had it for a while, and then it mysteriously fixed itself. I did report it to the devs, but as far as I know they didn't do anything to fix it. (She may still give me credit for the fix, but I don't deserve it!) Furiae, you lurking here? Anyone else who had that problem? Do you remember if we did anything to fix this?


3. Do you *hear* the flo's when you do them?


4. Try flourishing when you're not performing. What happens? Do you see the error message you're supposed to see ("You can't flourish unless you're playing music...")?


5. Are you using the game's default flourish hotkeys from CTL A? I still use those after all this time. If not, maybe try using those instead of whatever hotkey/macro you've used?


6. If that doesn't fix the animation, maybe try typing /flo 1 and /flourish 2?


7. Does /bandflo produce an animation? What if someone /bandflo's you?


8. Do you dance as well? If so, are the dance flo's looking right?


Sorry for the barrage of questions. If this no-animation thing has reappeared, I'd like to report it to the devs so we can...wring our hands and hope it fixes itself again. No, I mean, so that we can see about getting a fix.

Skuzz
Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:28 pm
#10

Thanks a ton NJ (and everyone else),
As soon as i get home from work i'll try out some of the things you mentioned. *Fingers crossed* Ill definently be letting you know the results. Hearing that this has possibly happened to someone else is a relief, maybe there's hope! =)





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Cudayn
Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:36 pm
#11






Skuzz wrote:
Wow you guys are really responsive here. You rock! 8)
Okay let me see if i can give any more details so you guys can possibly help me with this...

Buffing
- I can buff just fine, it just takes 16-18 minutes to give a full one to a group (passive) or an individual using the /setperf (active) methods. Up until a few weeks ago i could do a passive group buff in 8-10 minutes. That was before i got this weird bug.
- When buffing i have only been doing a flourish like every 4-5 seconds (roughly), but as I mentioned above im not seeing the animations for the flourishes and i strongly suspect that im not even doing them as far as the game is concerned. =(
- I dont use my entertainer droid when buffing.

The Flourish problem
- It doesnt matter what instrument I use, or what song I play, whether im grouped or solo, or whether I use a macro or handle the flourishes manually while I play... my master musician Toon no longer does the animations for ANY flourishes. I dont see them on my screen and those watching do not see them either. This started out of the blue about 2 weeks ago
- I have made new instruments, did a full filescan from game launcher, etc. but nothing has fixed this.
- last night I logged with my fiance's entertainer toon using my machine to see if it was a problem with my game files, but i could do and see all the animations and movements for all the flourishes as normal with her toon. I then logged back in with my master musician and it was the same as before. No flourish animations.

Phew! Does that help anymore folks? =/

Message Edited by Skuzz on 09-13-2004 01:53 PM

Message Edited by Skuzz on 09-13-2004 01:58 PM




here is another thing you can check.....but be careful


Shut down the game, open your SWG folder and find the Profile folder, copy the folder that has your character in it,named whatever server you are on, to another place, atemp folder, desktop, where ever, then once ot is safely copied, delete the folder from the profile folder. Restart your game and let the game itself rebuild your profile *** You will be bald in the Character selection screen*** Log on with your character and rebuild your tool bar enough to test flourishing. I am very interested if you have something corrupted in your profile, and if that doesn't work, you can log out and copy the folder you moved right back where you copied it from.


Durney Kova


Master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Image Designer / Novice Dancer


Message Edited by Cudayn on 09-13-2004 10:32 PM

NewJedi
Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:06 pm
#12

Whoa, stop the presses. I talked to Furiae in-game, and she reminded me how she cured her animation trouble: she turned her music back on. Do you have player music turned off?
Fragpuppie
Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:44 pm
#13

lol


I was just about to ask her.


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Master Entertainer, Master Musician
Guild Leader - Performer United Professional Society (PUPS)
Founding Member - Frag's Puppies
Contact S'ita for bookings
President and CEO - Fragpuppie Enterprises and Uber Instruments
Coronet, Corellia, Chilastra
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