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Thread: What do you do while entertaining?
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Fordep
Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:02 pm
#1
Okay... kinda misleading you with the topic but.
What do people tend to do while entertaining?
They talk to people/hang out in game and outside that hey may be doing some work, watching a show, or posting on these very forums out of game (not afk just not watching their ent all the time)
I do agree that buffbots are harmful and a world with far less AFK entertainers would be far better.
But in the long run the AFK entertainer is also talking to people, doing work, watching TV, or maybe even posting on the forums.
In a way all a macro is is a preformance that you have designed ahead of time and recite from memory just like most musicians and dancers do in real life.
They do not need to make AFK entertaining impossible but rather they have to make AK (at keyboard) entertaining far more rewarding and interesting.
The idea that TH adresses about asking for a flourish is pretty nice... kinda like getting a lap dance 
But beyond that they need to work on making it interesting to be involded in your dancing or music... a musician can not talk while playing a wind instrament so why is that what they tend to do?
It is very difficult to do, I understand.
Anyone have an idea of how to make actualy performing your act a more exciting/interesting experience?
Looking for constructive coments, no need to flame... I already know what the flames will say and don't need to read what I already know.
Tiaga
Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:32 pm
#2
When I'm entertaining, I'm playing music or dancing.
The trouble with making things more rewarding for ATK people is it does nothing to deal with AFK people. It is based on a flawed assumption that ATK is the opposite of AFK. It isn't. Being logged out is the opposite of being AFK. Therefore, to combat AFK play in this manner you would need to make logging out more rewarding than going AFK, or at least not less so.
The trouble with making things more rewarding for ATK people is it does nothing to deal with AFK people. It is based on a flawed assumption that ATK is the opposite of AFK. It isn't. Being logged out is the opposite of being AFK. Therefore, to combat AFK play in this manner you would need to make logging out more rewarding than going AFK, or at least not less so.
Fordep
Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:46 pm
#3
I also play music while I am ATK... but I don't punch in each and every flourish. I plan out a routine, make it into a macro and use that.
I don't think many people find fun in typing in /flourish # every few 10 or so seconds.
Most ATK I know macro as well.
My point kinda was that people would spend far less time AFK if ATK was more rewarding/more fun.
If you are working on crafting you are required to be there, but it is much faster than ent.
If you are working on combat you can go all over the place and kill things, which for the most part requires you to be there for it to be rewarding. There are AFK combat macros but they are nowhere near as rewarding as ATK hunting so you don't see them anywhere near as often as you see AFK dancers.
If you are playing music/dancing it is just as rewarding to be AFK as ATK.
with a more rewarding ATK system grinders will be ATK to finish the profession faster so they can move on and entertainers will be able to learn new dances/songs quicker.
Once you master there is no excuse to be AFK... you can choose out of all the dances/songs and do anything you want, nothing to worth to achieve.
Fordep
Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:49 pm
#4
"nothing to worth to achieve." dunno why I typed that, I think I was thinking about some mid statement revisions while typing my final statement.
should be
"nothing left to achieve through grinding."
Tarnak_Archvold
Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:07 am
#5
Why fencer? If you wend TKA you could fight with you mandolin 
(and your flo's are already in you command list Crtl+A, ready to be dragged on to the tool bar, so once it is done you can copy you profiles folder to your desktop and all your settings will be saved)
If I can find a group of live entertainers I will normally chat over group chat while I let my macro do the flo's. I still lack the wound heeling line, because I so dislike going afk in Theed, Corhell or somewhere like it.
However, once I have my master I will be playing music for two purposes. To entertain, and to buff my friends before they go out and kill stuff. If they need BF healing I will just be doing the entertaining part.
A large part of a truly entertaining performance cannot be run only with macros. If things like dazzle or spotlight have to be coordinated with the entire group to get triggered at the same time, or if some instruments have to start later in a song then others, or the band have to change in to another colour outfits or ... well you get the point.
Really if you wand to put of a really great show you cannot read the forums while you perform, or any RL tasks. You have to be ATK for that.
(and your flo's are already in you command list Crtl+A, ready to be dragged on to the tool bar, so once it is done you can copy you profiles folder to your desktop and all your settings will be saved)
If I can find a group of live entertainers I will normally chat over group chat while I let my macro do the flo's. I still lack the wound heeling line, because I so dislike going afk in Theed, Corhell or somewhere like it.
However, once I have my master I will be playing music for two purposes. To entertain, and to buff my friends before they go out and kill stuff. If they need BF healing I will just be doing the entertaining part.
A large part of a truly entertaining performance cannot be run only with macros. If things like dazzle or spotlight have to be coordinated with the entire group to get triggered at the same time, or if some instruments have to start later in a song then others, or the band have to change in to another colour outfits or ... well you get the point.
Really if you wand to put of a really great show you cannot read the forums while you perform, or any RL tasks. You have to be ATK for that.
Fordep
Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:43 am
#6
it hit me last night.
using hotkeys to dance is pretty much the exact same experience as using hot keys to fight a battle.
there is basicly one big difference though... when you dance nothing interacts with you as a result of your dancing... sure some NPCs will watch you and PCs may talk to you and/or watch you but this is not the same.
How does the idea of adding a satisfaction meter sound?
By this I mean when you are on a dancing mission or dancing for a PC or maybe even NPC for that matter it will gague their satisfaction with your performance. If you are dancing for a mission or NPC the computer will generate a profile for what it wants to see and you will have to watch how the satisfaction meter goes up or down related to different flourishes and figure out what it wants to see. By keeping the satisfaction meter high you will finish the mission faster/recieve more xp. While dancing for PCs they can tell you what they want to see and if you give it to them within a reasonable amount of time the meter will stay high and they will heal faster and you will recieve extra xp.
any thoughts?
Vorpaks
Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:53 am
#7
Its a good idea and I actually thing there are Entertainer missions on Test Center right now that include something similar. One of the ideas for a way to make buffing better for ATK players than AFK players is a window the customer gets that tells them to ask the performer to perform a certain flourish. If they do, then the buff gets bigger/faster (hmmm... that sounded wrong somehow )
I kinda disagree with your original point that even ATK players are doing other things like checking the forums, etc. When I am entertaining I often don't even hear RL people talking to me I am so involved. Maybe it is just me but I find I have to use all my attention to keep up with groupchat, the ENT channel, spacial, AND greet everyone who comes through the door, read their bios, and engage them in conversation etc. Often times I'll miss half of whats going on because it is just so hectic!
But thats why I love it. If stuff like this isnt going on in the cantina/group I'm in then I will usually log off or go someplace else. Even the least bit of xp grinding drives me insane (most of the reason I have never been a crafter ug).
I DO 100% agree with making the experience more rewarding though. THAT is an idea that should always be encouraged and I /cheer for you on that one! Even if I thought the profession perfect in everyway I would still want new improved stuff lol.
EDIT: Oh whoops, the original point. I use both macros and hotkeys. I use macros when I am so busy typing that I can't keep up with the flourishes. The constant sound of music with no flourishes will drive you nutty after a while. However I prefer actually hitting the hotkeys. It gives the music a more random/interesting sound then having a macro that plays certain flourishes at certain intervals. Another reason I am not overly fond of bandflos in musician groups - too much conformity. You can get some really interesting sounds with everyone in the group hitting random flourishes at random times. SW1 sounds great!
Major action burner though. I have my hotkeys set up so I can play them like a piano - just for extra immersion lol.
)I kinda disagree with your original point that even ATK players are doing other things like checking the forums, etc. When I am entertaining I often don't even hear RL people talking to me I am so involved. Maybe it is just me but I find I have to use all my attention to keep up with groupchat, the ENT channel, spacial, AND greet everyone who comes through the door, read their bios, and engage them in conversation etc. Often times I'll miss half of whats going on because it is just so hectic!
But thats why I love it. If stuff like this isnt going on in the cantina/group I'm in then I will usually log off or go someplace else. Even the least bit of xp grinding drives me insane (most of the reason I have never been a crafter ug).I DO 100% agree with making the experience more rewarding though. THAT is an idea that should always be encouraged and I /cheer for you on that one!
Even if I thought the profession perfect in everyway I would still want new improved stuff lol.EDIT: Oh whoops, the original point.
I use both macros and hotkeys. I use macros when I am so busy typing that I can't keep up with the flourishes. The constant sound of music with no flourishes will drive you nutty after a while. However I prefer actually hitting the hotkeys. It gives the music a more random/interesting sound then having a macro that plays certain flourishes at certain intervals. Another reason I am not overly fond of bandflos in musician groups - too much conformity. You can get some really interesting sounds with everyone in the group hitting random flourishes at random times. SW1 sounds great! Major action burner though. I have my hotkeys set up so I can play them like a piano - just for extra immersion lol.
Message Edited by Vorpaks on 07-30-2004 01:58 PM
Fordep
Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:16 am
#8
Yes, I kinda disagree with my original point as well.
I was thinking as I was sitting in bet last night after logging off... That is when I realized hitting the hot keys while dancing/playing is the same thing as hunting for the most part, it is just about hitting the right key at the right time and watching your HAM.
I spent 2 hours today trying to find someone to train me in dancing knowledge 1... in coronet cantina. Now that is just wrong.
Vorpaks
Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:22 am
#9
Ew. Thats horrible! I have Ahazi, Lowca, and Bloodfin chars... but none of them that high in dance sadly.
Tiaga
Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:22 pm
#10
I don't think it's fun typing out /flourish over and over either. That's why I've got them hotkeyed. I'm one of the weird people like NewJedi that does flourishes by hand. Oh yeah, and while I'm out fighting things, I read the forums. On my way back to get more missions right now.
I'm one of the weird people like NewJedi that does flourishes by hand. Oh yeah, and while I'm out fighting things, I read the forums. On my way back to get more missions right now.
Fordep
Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:25 pm
#11
point taken.
I type them out because every time I get set on a toolbar I crash and loose it.
I always intend to save the file out of game but I always tell my self I'm going to change it soon so there is no need to change it.
Going from mission to mission is more like moving from one gig to another, fighting a mission is more like doing a gig.
Fordep
Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:34 pm
#12
wish I could edit.
I am mostly hoping they will make musician more fun or useful for myself and other similar players.
I am sure there are people who like the current system quite a bit and there is no need to change that part.
But my final template is Master Ent (for Mandovial (sp)) Master Musician Master Fencer. Something of a Bard. I also require the devs to give fencers a sword that is more like something a Fencer would use and not something used by a police officer in Europe.
Electro
Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:18 am
#13
And that is only one of the reasons that proposal is horrible.
Fordep wrote:
The idea that TH adresses about asking for a flourish is pretty nice... kinda like getting a lap dance
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