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....but what I really need is ideas to combat the problem.

So here's the deal that is making me mad.

When did it become common curtosy to walk up to a master musician and in stead of:

a) /say "Fragpuppie, are you buffing?"

I have this problem as well. It's either an /invite without saying anything, or a 'Buff me' without even a simple please. Things like that really get my back up and just make me ignore them.. There is nothing wrong with simple courtesy and manners. A simple 'Please' goes a long way to making me more likely to help you.

Another growing trend I have noticed is that after the buff is complete, they either say thanks or they don't, but then they run off without tipping. I don't normally ask for tips up front because I have had too many occaisions where the buff has failed for whatever reason and I have had to tip the money back. Obviously this attitude of not having to pay has come about because of buffbots, but I should NOT have to send a tell to a person I have buffed after they have run off saying 'Thanks for the tip!' to try and make them feel some remorse and tip me.

At the same time I get some nice customers. A good example is last night a very polite wookiee of the name Ee-wok sent me a tell asking if I was available to buff. I replied that I was, but I was in the Theatre in Coronet. Instead of demanding that I come to the cantina like some people would, he came to the theatre without any complaints. After the buff during which we chatted and had a joke, he thanked me and tipped me without me even asking. Now why can't I get more customers like this? The experience was a pleasure for both of us, and as he had never been in the theatre before he was shocked as to how cool it was. So he got a buff and a new experience to boot.

So how do other people deal with rude customers and non-tipping ones?

I have the same problems with some off my customers...I usually send them a tell..it can look like this: /tell Hi there, my Nalagorn is out of tune, but i didnt hear u say PLEASE to me......Happy hunting.../ignore> end.

They usually write back and makes an excuse, and a laugh - and thats ok with me, but im still fuc......*very angry*.

I have in my personal bio a list off top banktippers. It helps some to remember that entertainers are proffesionals equal as a uber jedi.

I have now a good solid business goin' and that can keep me on track and not loose my temper all the way, so for all of u that get*very angry*- swallow the cake, and be humourous about it all.....it works for me

Osrov Darkdust

Osrov Darkdust - Corbantis
Have u ever heard the funny sound off the bandfill, got smacked in the head of a Rancor.....

when i get aproched with an 'invite me' 'buff me' or some other generic one or two word demand for a buff, i like to find creative ways to show them there is a person at the keyboard and slightly offended...

in my previous post about the state of our profession when someone came in and said 'invite', my partner said 'say please'. the rude patron said to my bothan friend 'youre too short to say please too' which i replied quickly with 'well, youre too tall to buff'.

simple rule of thumb... if someone isnt intelligent enough to have basic manners, get creative on them without being overly rude... they learn, or they leave.

Meika Rei
Master Entertainer/Master Musician
Theed, Naboo


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What I love is when they tell me "no..you're doing the wrong dance..don't you know how to buff?".

Esharra ěsh-äŕ-rä, noun
1. Entertainer
2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

"One man's oddity is another man's routine." -Bertos Goodner (a dancer)

Osrov Darkdust - Corbantis
Have u ever heard the funny sound off the bandfill, got smacked in the head of a Rancor.....

I was in Theed the other night, and there was this combat player who just kept saying, "invite plz" over and over again. The group leader did actually invite them at one point. There were 2 or 3 master dancers in the group, including myself and he kept walking around to each one. Eventually he decided on one and started asking about getting a buff and asked how long it would take. She said 4 minutes (or something like that), and he said, "do you think I'm done now?" And, she said, "well, you never asked me for one, so I haven't started yet." lol

Seriously. This is just how people are being *trained* to act now. I don't hold the noobs at fault, really. It's just annoying that this is what people expect now because of the buffbots. Argh. Every day I waver. Some days are better than others. But, I seriously don't know how long I can take all of this madness.

And to answe your question...most of the time I really, really try to be nice, and I'll ask, "did you need a buff or something?" If they say yes, which most of the time they do after the "invite plz" spam, I"ll say, "I don't need to be in group to buff you. Are you watching?" And, proceed from there. And, the truth is, a lot of these guys after me telling them what to do, and how it really works usually say "thanks, you're nice" (or something to that effect) and give me a tip. They just need to be educated. But, it's extremely hard to do with the playing "culture" that has developed at the moment.

(grouphug)

I agree it's frustrating and annoying, as if they think we don't know what they are after.

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Katier Rax"Blueberry" Entertainer to the massesTestcenter Mistress plastic surgeon, Mistress Dancer, Mistress Entertainer, MusicianStarsider Mistress Dancer and Live entertainment supporter

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I was buffing on Dathomir the other day and had a similar experience. People would walk in and say invite please, assuming I was a bot as there was a crowd of combatants around an entertainer. So, in response to this my bandmates and I had a grand time coming up with a variety of responses:

1. Play dumb. "The solo group leader is outside." Then when they finally ask for a buff, I respond, "Oh, well why didn't you say so in the first place?"

2. Email. Each time someone asked, one of my bandmates forwarded them an invite to an entertainer event later that week. I later took a similar approach forwarding an email titled "YOU ARE INVITED..." with a message body of "You are cordially invited to ask me for a buff in laymans terms and totreat me like a live entertainer and not a buffbot."

This top method worked best in my experience. Only once did it fail, and that was someone who thought "Invite please" didn't imply treating me as a buffbot. They said I was stuckup for thinking so and ran off in a huff. Well, their loss. However, if you use method number 1, you'll have to accept that some combatents are just that dense.

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I get the /invite thing too. Annoying. Also, I got the following tell the other day, in a crowded cantina:

"Train."

I replied "Hmm? Can I help you?"

The response: "u"

(sigh.)

I had a friend how had a jedi come up to her and spam "Buff". She spammed right back "Say please". The guy refused to say please. He finally left.

Its tempting to ignore them but i prefer to give them one chance to reform.

Lodo Ektatu - Bloodfin
Co-Leader of the Entertainers (ENTS)
Proprietor of the Drunken Jawa in Gardens of Heaven, Lok
Master Musician, Dancer, Image Designer, and Entertainer

Jherek (Imperial) - Bloodfin
Captain of the Gardens of Heaven Militia
Master Carbineer and Smuggler

Well, I think the population is slowly melding into a buffbot mentality. There are people using the bots, and they teach other how "how to get a mind buff" and no one ever tells them things from another perspective. That is, that there really are people behind that other character in the game, haha.

Random group invites are extremely annoying for me. Like, on Beta, someone kept inviting me at a starport while I was fidgeting with my barker droid - I screwed up the first barking message so I was retyping it. They proceeded to give me 4 invites before I used my most favorite option in the whole wide world, "automatically decline group invites." That's in CTRL+O, on the Misc tab for anyone who doesn't know.

Well, I'm typing my droid barking message, and then this girl says "Anyone want to teach me Shryiiwook since Mr. unpleasant here apparently won't."

I finished with my droid, then turned to her and invited her, and taught her Shryiiwook. I then said, "It's also extremely unpleasant to have someone spam group invites to people while they try to make their merchant droid bark - all you had to do was ask. Which you didn't. I can't read minds."

She fumbled something or other out of her mouth and took the shuttle.

I fail to see why people do this to someone who's obviously not buffbotting. Whenever anyone invites me to a group, I'm instantly suspicious. Am I being set up for a group TEF just so someone can get a good laugh out of it? There are implications for randomly accepting group invites. It usually involves me asking, "What do you want, I can't read minds and I don't join random people's groups."

On that note - if a Jedi is being tailed by a BH, and we buff/heal the Jedi with the Jedi in-group, do we get a TEF to the Bounty Hunter? I've always wondered that. I know Doctors get hit with a TEF, but I can't recall ever getting TEF'd for doing music buffs/healing.

Warryyr
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