Musician Archive
Thread: I am absolutely livid over this new song quest
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Mariki
Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:08 pm
#1
So I get through the audition the second time after not switching fast enough at the beginning BS, and get ten ppl to listen, thats easy enough and then go do first show. Only info from audiance was jazz and flo 1 so I spam flow 1 and they get angry. They don't like the mando or something? This quest has got me so pissed off right now.
I have to embarrass myself and kiss NPC butt to get a lousy new song. I hate this quest. I even had help with someone running around polling the audiance. What a damn time sink and they call this content. Having to wait 24 hrs is not extended content. All this quest as done is gotten me so pissed off I don't even want to be in SWG currently and I'm here venting on this board.
All this for a song that does nothing different then any other song except gives us something else to listen too for a change. I don't know why I put myself through this abuse, and thats what it is, NPC abuse. If they were targetable, I'd shoot every one of those wouldn't know talent if they saw it stinking NPCs. And that manager, she'd be the first to take a blaster to the head.
Can we at least get entertainer quests that are mildly entertaining and don't drive us into homocidal rage?
Fragpuppie
Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:14 pm
#2
Mariki wrote:
Can we at least get entertainer quests that are mildly entertaining and don't drive us into homocidal rage?
When they were touted as "exciting new entertainer content" I almost fell out of my chair. The first time I did them I hit a bug that didn't let me move on to mission 6. In the few days before that was fixed I myself threatened murder if mission 6 was to "advertise" to 30 people. I could not believe that the "arc" of missions would be that lame. I don't know how I have not killed anyone yet.
I have done them 3 complete times now and the last 2 I did not have any failures. There are simple steps you can take to avoid failing and they are outlined in a couple other threads.....HOWEVER if you do take these hints and use them you will have another hour of this "exciting new content" and then be done except grinding XP to learn the song as opposed to a couple days trying to figure it out on your own.
I don't know which really is worse.
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Bronski113
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:15 am
#3
You don't spam that one flo. You incorporate it into your performance, as well as the song they want to hear. I seemed to get best results by switching through a few different songs and doing different flo's.
Atlantiss
Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:36 am
#4
I suspect that the they told you that they didn't want to hear flourish 1, so if you were spamming that i can imagine that tey would get rather angry.
Mariki wrote:
So I get through the audition the second time after not switching fast enough at the beginning BS, and get ten ppl to listen, thats easy enough and then go do first show. Only info from audiance was jazz and flo 1 so I spam flow 1 and they get angry.
NewJedi
Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:24 am
#5
Even if they do ask you for a particular flourish, you need to toss in the other seven flourishes (less frequently) as well.
Me, I like the quest.
Mariki
Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:57 am
#6
I think the devs were so "twitch happy" from working on JTL that it carried over to this quest. It has nothing to do with talent, its all a matter of timing. Can youanticipate with no real clues what you are suppose to dofast enough, can you /conv the audiance fast enough to get the clues in your two minutes.
Entertaining is the opposite of the hussle bussle world of combat. We don't have to do things fast, we are the laid back ones. Like I said, I HATE this quest. I am a pure entertainer and don't subscribe to this twitch BS when it comes to entertaining. Sure we do timed stuff in performances but its rehersed to take the pressure off. When we reherse and it does't go off right, we don't wait 24 hours to reherse again.
This quest is so not entertainer like. It does not subscribe to the basic philosophies that entertainers live by. It so smacks of a developer who has no idea what entertaining is about and is combat oriented. Entertaining is not a twitch based profession. And those 24 hour waits because we didn't twitch fast enough are absurd. They expect us to change songs within 10 seconds during this quest but didn't think twice when they messed up our ability to change instruments when we are trying to entertain when doing real shows or when we have to change a battery while playing a Nal or Omni and untarget and have to wait before we can start playing with our bands again.
They created this profession but have no cluewhat its about. For over a year we been asking for more songs to enhance performances and they respond by making us jump through their hoops for it and creating this stupid time sink to get one. Being a dedicated musician and sticking with it dispite all their BAD decisions that adversely effected our profession wasn't good enough to rate a new song that is really a benefit for everyone.
I have a guild of entertainers that have to all jump through these hoops so they can actually all perform this song. What good is just one or two people getting it, that serves no purpose, whats everyone else in the band suppose to do, just stand there? This isn't some uber piece of armor or a new weapon to give someone an edge over the competition or PvP, its a damn song that is useless unless the whole band has it.I really would have prefered if this quest was for a new instrument scematic, not something everyone has to have to be of any use.
Idon't think the devs ever thought people would ever take this profession seriously. That they would actually form bands and entertainer troupes and haveshows in the cantinas they created. They still have the mentality that we all operate individually. That we master this profession and are suppose to create a buff bot now so our sole purpose is to keep the combat people healthy cause they are all that matters.
I'm sorry if I'm ranting but this quest is not what we asked for. Sure we asked for new songs and some more content to the entertainer quests but they took the cheapand self limiting way out and combined it and when all this jumping through hoops for a new song is overyou will have a new song but guess what, your new content is over. Its a new day and I'm still livid over this new song quest, and its not because of just this quest, its from being here long enough to see a trend.
Loniki Lee
Entertainers United
Message Edited by Mariki on 10-16-2004 09:03 AM
Message Edited by Mariki on 10-16-2004 09:18 AM
Mariki
Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:58 pm
#7
I think the people who take these professions seriously actually try to entertain. Thats the RP aspect.Now this may be contrary to how the Devs envisioned it, maybe they think our soul purpose is just healing mind wounds and giving mind buffs. Thats the non-RP side. I think the entertainer professions lean way more to the RP side then any other profession.
The fact is that if the RP element was removed from SWG, I don't think there would be half the people playing then there is now. Also I feel there is a great divide between the people who RP and those that play this game that couldn't care less about RP. If it wasn't for this divide, there would be no argument over the afk and buffbot issues and how quests are implimented.
Personally I feel there is a very good argument that this is in fact a RP game, otherwise it would just be like any other first person shooter. I still think its this divide that causes most the problems and people leaving is because it didn't live up to being more of one side of the issue or the other.
I think its important when the devs make any kind of change, they have to keep in mind what side of this divide they are catering too and try to stay as close to center as possible. Myself, I'm squarely on the RP side of this divide.
My annoyance with this quest is mainly because I feel this quest was not centered but rests too far to the other side. If this was on theRP side of the divide as an example, then it would have been a quest our band could have done and had been at the advantage because we have a polished act. Instead we have an individual twitch based quest as if it was aimed at a combat proffession vieing for a new weapon scematic.
Laenora
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:03 pm
#8
This quest seemed pretty true-to-life to me. 
To be honest, it's nice to be playing to captive audiences again... lol!
To be honest, it's nice to be playing to captive audiences again... lol!
Drygo
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:29 pm
#9
The quest itself doesn't bother me. I do find it somewhat interesting up to a point. I won't give it a full thumbs down. But, what I HATE HATE HATE about this quest is the 24 hour timer if you fail. You really get no practice time at all. You can't repeat what you're doing over and over to try to get it right. You have to start from scratch every day not really knowing how to do it any better than the day before because you can't actually practice timing and flourishing. I would be completely fine with this quest if they got rid of the 24 hour timer. I hate spending a mere 5 minutes every day with only one chance and utterly failing with no chance to try to improve.
Oh, and did I mention how much I hate the 24 hour timer. It sucks in a big way.
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
Mariki
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:29 pm
#10
Perhaps captive audiance with no tasteand want to hear one song spammed with the same flourishes?
The only way I can enjoy this profession anymore is dealing with only RPers at a Player City Cantinaon scheduled performance nights. It has been weeks since I been in a regular cantina or gave a buff. Its not like I wouldn't do that but the regular cantinas have degraded so badly with afkers or buffbots that going in them is sometimes depressing to me. The first couple months of SWG was not like that.
My biggest fear currently in this profession is that the Devs are going to put in some code to combat the afkers and buffbots that is going to destroy my ability to perform my song alias files or ruin ways for bands to actually do a performance. I might not have that fear if they ever gave us a clue that they take the RP aspects of this game seriously by doing something on the RP side of the divide.
I do aggree that it would be interesting to actually hear what their vision of what an entertainer is.
Isendale
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:30 pm
#11
I liked the first quest, it's like Star Wars Idol or something. It was interesting...the other performance things were just slightly challenging to impress the audience at times, you just have to coordinate your songs and stuff correctly.
The one thing I enjoyed was advertising, actually, (BRING ON THE FLAMES) it was interesting to play out near the starports, or in the starport, in my case, like a newb who didn't know what to do. It kind of brought me back to the old days where I was a novice entertainer and I thought I was the most skilled guy in town when I hit Musicianship 1, so I proceeded to play in random spots to "show-off." 
And people actually paid attention to me, instead of just walking in to a cantina, listening, and walking out. That's why I liked the advertisement quest stuff. Only thing I didn't like is the whole length. If the devs put some sort of popularity thing in the game for entertainers, where you actually got REWARDS for playing in spots other than the cantina, kinda like faction perks...I'd be doing that much more often.
Drygo
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:35 pm
#12
Actually, Isendele, I think may agree for a change. I like the advertisement stuff too. I don't necessarily like how people are acting as far as spamming "watch me, I need it for the quest." A guildmember who is going up musician told me that he went into the Coronet cantina and asked to join the ent group. And, the ents that were there actually would not let him join until he watched them all first for the quest! What the hell is up with that?! People are idiots, but we all knew that already.
I like the advertisement stuff too. I don't necessarily like how people are acting as far as spamming "watch me, I need it for the quest." A guildmember who is going up musician told me that he went into the Coronet cantina and asked to join the ent group. And, the ents that were there actually would not let him join until he watched them all first for the quest! What the hell is up with that?! People are idiots, but we all knew that already.However, I do like the advertising. I tried Coronet for a bit, and considering the state of affairs on my server, it shouldn't be surprising that hardly anyone would watch me...first, because I don't spam, and second because of the buffbots. But, then I tried the starports, and the mining outpost, and had a lot of people watching me in rapid succession without me even asking and without any healing benefits to them whatsoever. And, just like in the Coronet Cantina, I was actually trying to put on a little show with effects and stuff to make it interesting and have people actually *want* to watch me. That stuff is cool to me. And, I found it *much* more enjoyable than the theater performances which I continue to fail miserably.
Mariki
Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:56 pm
#13
I agree, the advertising part of the quest to me is the only part that seems to make any sense. I would have prefered if that was the total quest as that actually has people going out and entertaining to people.
But having to perform to stupid NPC zombies I find offensive. And not performing totheir programmed satisfaction and having to wait 24 hours and perform to them again intolerable. I hate this quest, I hate performing to programmed zombie NPCs. If you could come up with the exact opposite of what it means to be me as an entertainer in SWG, this would be it. NPC are for killing, not judging me. I don't even want to play to another person who doesn't appreciate what I put into entertaining, yet alone an NPC. I consider these NPCs the direct reflection of the programmer who programmed them. Fail me? Fail you!
Message Edited by Mariki on 10-16-2004 03:04 PM
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