Musician Archive

Read the debate on the mando and the master musician(mm) not having it. It's easy either the mm has all the songs and instruments available or they dont.

1. Why is the musicain able to build mando and not play it? Left over from beta where the musician could play one.

2. Master Entertainer instrument/song/image design isn't meant soloy for the master entertainer gang. Look at it this way im a newb working on entertainer and I'm not sure if i want to dance/musician/image design but instead say well for now let me take master entertainer because it gives me some of the abilites of each of the three classes and then I'll hold off until i can make a decision later. Now as a master entertainer i have the ability to do a mando from the musician tree/a special dance from dancing tree and a bonus skill from image designer tree until their final decision can be reached. A master entertainer is taking ONE item from the other classes and using it. The PERK is that as a master entertainer you can have some of the abilites of each class without having to work up to that level.

3. All the Master Entertainer abilites are put back in musician/dancer/image designer because its not a special perk sololy for master entertainer. Mando/songs back to musician tree, dances back to dancing tree and image design back to image design.

Thats it for now I hope you see Master Entertainer as it should be end used. Thanks.

The question, though, is why specialize in Musician and skip Entertainer? Working up the ID xp takes only a few hours. The dance is a little longer, but even that can be done in a couple of days. If it isn't the time commitment you abhor, it must be the skill points requirement. So I suspect that although one might claim to be specializing in music, they are actually wanting to conserve skill points so that they can do more things that aren't entertainment related; this is creating a more general character, not specializing in music. This is probably why the mandoviol and the other skills were placed in the master entertainer box at the end of beta--to reward specialization.

Using a logic argument is probably not best for the case, either. For instance, a MT4 character can make a nalargon, but they cannot play it. You could even learn to make a nalargon when you are only able to play a trazz. And how is it possible that you can get music fatigue healing skills by dancing? Certainly that isn't logical. Should all these things be changed as well, just so a more general character can skip master entertainer and still get the mandoviol?

Okay, here is my suggestion. It might even be logical. Take all the lighting effects away from musicians and dancers and put them in the Master Entertainer box. All of them. Give the other abilities of the master entertainer (except the skill bonuses) to the appropriate trees. It seems logical. No specialized musician should learn pyrotechnics or spotlighting, nor should a dancer. These techniques are truly the expertise of the specialized "entertainer". If that happens, I may buy into the "logical-musician-should-get-the-mando-and-be-able-to-handle-creatures-too" argument.

Regards,
Bener

1. Change bandflourish to work as in beta! Please, please, please! In beta I often played in bands. Not a group of folks in teh cantina at the same time but a BAND. We made MUSIC, we could all flourish together reliably. It sounded good, it was FUN.

Now most folks join and go AFK. I can't really blame them. Usually cantina groups sound so horrible I turn my speakers off. I've had audience members beg the band to STOP PLAYING they souded so horrible.

I understand that bandflourish could be abused to allow someone to go and stay afk. But people do it already. Please change bandflourish BACK to the way it was in beta and perhaps instead use the AFK flag to punish the AFKers. If you dont' talk in your group or say or do somethign else for a set time you go AFK and stop getting experience from teh flourishes. Problem solved and bands can sound decent again! (I like the follow idea listed on the first page but that's a little more invovled this could be a stop gap measure until that was implemented.)

2. Group tips. Please allow the leader to set tips to auto split. This comes MOSTLY from my non performer characters. I hate watching a great band and then having to try to tip each one or choose one or two to tip. Let me tip the whole group in one shot.

3. More songs at each level! Since we have to play to the lowest common denominator please give us more options. I'm going to SCREAM if I have to play SW1 one more time.

4. This is way out there, but allow master musicians to compose their OWN songs. This would require some work on the developers parts but would really add depth to the class. Once a song as been composd let the composer teach it to others. This would eventually give bands a HUGE number of songs to choose from without the developers having to come up with them on their own. Just build us the tool and WE'LL compose the songs.

5. Please let me move around while playing. Maybe set a limit on how far I can move but IRL I have played a number o finstruments. And except for the grand piano I could walk around quite easilly while playing any of them! There is no reason I can't mingle with my audiance while playing a slitherhorn.

I really like the being able to move around idea. It's kind of dopey that I can't take a few steps while swinging my Kloo around... I'm not sure about a distance limit though. I think that after you travel a certain distance from where you started you WON't get XP, but you can continue to walk around (it should be auto walk when playing... no burstrun or running at all.. just a walk)...

I still go back to the ability to follow certain people idea. I say completely eliminate bandflourishes, and instead target someone and type /follow, so you can essentially have an orchestra. If someone is AFK and playing a monotone just kick them. /following someone while playing music would be a REALLY GOOD FEATURE!!!

Kurtt Baine (Wanderhome)

1) A way to have tip messages sent via a "tell" or some other method that isn't filtered by the same method as xp, in the chat window. I hate that I dont know who tipped me, because of all the xp notices and flourishes that scroll by. I had to turn that off in a new chat tab, and now I can't see who tips me unless i catch the glimpse message overhead.

2) New sounds for each instrument and new instruments, Pleeeeeease. SW1 would most likely sound less horrifying that way when everyone has to drop down for one personand there's more than a Fizzz and Slitherhorn sound.. oh yeah, and the horrid beat of a bandfil, etc.

3) Fix the darn bug where people are "perfoming", but can't flourish because they aren't playing a song. Sucks to have to disband from a group, do /stopband, /startband <any song>, /stopband . Then ask for a reinvite.

4) Bandflourish XP would be nice, although it is possible to just turn the darn thing off. /bandfl off .

5) Maybe the ability to "write or record music/songs" as buffs at high endof a sort to sell in the bazaar. Kinda like a CD or somesuch that's an item that has charges. After so many uses its "too scratched to play" or breaks. Who knows. Just not so powerful that we wouldn't be needed .. but at least its a way to make money off of people when a heck of a lot of em don't tip. I have about 30k creds (almost master music, capped apprent points.), and most of that was from fellow musicians who bought instruments... which just seems wrong, but its about the only assuring way to make money for us who dedicate to entertaining of some sort.

!.)Different sounds for most instruments.. seriously. We get what? 10 instruments including the Mandoviol and Nalargon, and 4 of them have similar counterparts... thats 8 out of 10..yes 8!! instruments that we've heard since near novice entertainer (the 2 exceptions are bandfill and omni.. which STILL sound exactly the same)Some variety is badly needed.

2.)Leave the mandoviol, ceremonial song, and the other perks in Master Entertainer. I attained Master Entertainer to to achieve these perks, so I could play the mandoviol and sound different than the pure musician players. I believe my reward for this is a unique sounding instrument that not many people can play. It must stay this way! IF you feel the need to add a stringed instrument to master musician or the muscian tree (which I strongly disagree with) please don't give it the mandoviol sound.

3.)More instrument sound variety!

4.)Whereis the love for us hip-hop and rap fans? Would like to see at least a little more support here...afterall we have poplock dances..yet no music(in my opinion) that really fits them.

~Funk

Roger that Sskar!

We need a James Brown beat or an Earth Wind and Fire sound going on.

Heh, CHANGE THE FREAKING PITCHES! No new sounds! PITCHES PEOPLE!

AAAAnyway.... I think a new rap-ish beat would be cool...

What is Poplock? Is it like breakdancing?

Yea poplocking is a dance style that people seem to associate with breakdancing, its more of the liquid smooth or very choppy body movements rather than the spinning on the floor type dancing.

But I mean we have two seperate dances devoted to it, and we even have a /rap command, yet no really solid beat that fits it well! How is this possible?!

~Funk

Yeah! I WANT RAP MUSIC! I can't believe i said that... I guess I'd settle for disco...

Funkytown would be cool...

I like spinny/flippy dancing... if only that was included I'd zoooooooom through the dancing tree. Might help poor male dancers...

Concerning Master Entertainer... Spread the misery of mastering Entertainer to Dancers and Image Designers (not just us Master Musicians).

Make a new ME skill called "Dance With" command. What this would do, is allow for a dancer to target someone and grab them into a dance (maybe have a pop-up box to the target that says "So-and-So wants to dance with you. Yes/No". This would be based on what dance, the dancer has chosen. I'm not a Dancer (just grinded it so I could get ME), but I wouldn't mind getting in close for a slow dance to some of my cute twi'lek troupe mates. Also, depending on the target's dance skill and complexity of the dance, would create a failure rate (target that has no dance skills causes a regular to semi-regular fall downs and toe stepping). Can anyone say ball-room dancing!!

There should be a bunchof new image design looks only available to the ME as well. It would force the ID-folks to get ME for completeness of their skills.

Yup, share the misery (while actually making ME more interesting and fun to this MM). At best, we get all this bonus fun stuff. At worst, the dancers and image designers get to whine about having to learn ME to get the really cool stuff (hehe... ok, maybe that's not the worst... misery loves company)

Caspearious Shalerock
Master Entertainer and Master Musician
Coronet, Corellia (Tarquinas)

I like the /grouptip option, but to keep those AFK'rs from receiving tips, how about an "accept" prompt that pops up when a listener/watcher does the /grouptip command? There would have to be maybe a 30 or 45 second timer on it so those that are physically there can accept the tip, but those that are AFK wouldn't asthepop upwindow would disappear.Once thetime period ends (and the "accept" pop up window disappears), the tips are divided among those performers that "accepted" it.

Simple

ChooChoo

This is probably nevergonna happen, but... I'm a master entertainer/musician at the Theed cantina on Naritus, and we have some jerks that come in and give the dancers a hard time... Of course, they're on the /ignore list now, but I'd really like to see a "/bounce" function, where a bandleader can evict a person or persons from a cantina or other public perfoming area for being an a$$.

In the same vein, some of the image designers were talking about being able to "stealth ID" someone that would be hilarious... turn those jerks fat an' ugly rofl!

Seriously, tho... entertainers, musicians, and dancers need some way of protecting themselves from griefers.