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Thread: New song in Publish 10.2!

fett3041
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:15 pm
#105


I'm gonna have to agree with Warryyr here. I fully support cost and reward. The problem here is that the cost is too high. We perform the quest, we should be entitled to the reward. Remember... if you can't succeed in the quest for whatever reason, you can't just start it over right away; you have to wait 24 hours.


Yes, when you get the schematic for the AV-21, you need another component. One easy enough to get when you run Corvette missions on a regular basis. When you get ANY new song in the game, you also need another component: an instrument. The point is, no other professions' new content requires a substantial XP sacrifice. Bestine Paintings, RIS Armor, Scythe, AV-21, Creature Mounts... These all require skill, and in some cases, a great deal of skill. But where is the XP cost?


LAMErs will 'earn' the xp for this song long before the rest of us. Who is this quest for? Who are they trying to reward with new content? ARE THEY PURPOSELY TRYING TO ALIENATE THE LIVE PERFORMERS?


They want to insist on a cost? I'll tell you the cost. Working our way up in skill ATK. Enduring buffbots and LAMErs. Enduring promises of new content for months. Having our top concerns be ignored for months. Watching other professions enjoy new missions, new dungeons, and new rewards for months. And still having the audacity to be damn proud to be a Musician.


If that cost isn't enough to earn a new song, then they seriously need to reevaluate their desire to have Entertainers in the game at all.





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Mo'Set Elosk
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May the Force grant us
the Wisdom to discover the Right,
the Will to choose it,
and the Strength to make it endure.
BrandonIT
Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:25 am
#106

Why do we have to PAY for this new dance/song?

Because to the devs, this is our NEW GAME CONTENT. You know, like combats get The Corvette, The DWB, etc. We get a new song. And if it didn't take you time and effort to get that new content, then you'd just blow through it, then they'd have to go back to work developing new content for you, which is really hard to do what with all that motion capture and composing music and all.

Nope, enjoy taking the time to get the XP for this new dance/song when it comes out for this is your Dancer/Musician new content fix probably for quite a long time.

So take your time, and enjoy the ride...



Erdeid - Master Commando
Erleid - Master Musician, Master Entertainer, Master Artisan
nope...gone again...
Aleyo
Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:47 am
#107



BrandonIT wrote:
Why do we have to PAY for this new dance/song?

Because to the devs, this is our NEW GAME CONTENT. You know, like combats get The Corvette, The DWB, etc. We get a new song. And if it didn't take you time and effort to get that new content, then you'd just blow through it, then they'd have to go back to work developing new content for you, which is really hard to do what with all that motion capture and composing music and all.

Nope, enjoy taking the time to get the XP for this new dance/song when it comes out for this is your Dancer/Musician new content fix probably for quite a long time.

So take your time, and enjoy the ride...



My problem isn't that there's a cost. My problem is the form of a cost, *especially* since this is not post-master content, despite what a lot of people are thinking.
I would have absolutely no problem if there were some other cost that took just as long as it'll take to get 400k xp, it's just that it's the xp. We don't get as many non-masters posting here (we typically hear a "I'm new to music, help me out" followed by some silence and then "I made master!"), but as someone who's doing it over (it's my penance), I can tell you that I'm going to have serious issues choosing between going up the tech line and building up the xp for the song, and I don't even have the issue of the choice between those and working on FS. I love my friends in game, both ents and non-ents, and I want to be able to help them out with mind buffs, and now I'll have to make the choice between helping my friends and helping myself.
Not to mention that making us gain extra xp isn't exactly fun in any way. There's no challenge to that that I'll feel rewarded with.




Scipionus Mentus
Master Musician, Master Entertainer, Master Dancer - Tempest
-I support ATK people and playstyles.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

Warryyr
Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:12 pm
#108






fett3041 wrote:


I'm gonna have to agree with Warryyr here. I fully support cost and reward. The problem here is that the cost is too high. We perform the quest, we should be entitled to the reward. Remember... if you can't succeed in the quest for whatever reason, you can't just start it over right away; you have to wait 24 hours.


Yes, when you get the schematic for the AV-21, you need another component. One easy enough to get when you run Corvette missions on a regular basis. When you get ANY new song in the game, you also need another component: an instrument. The point is, no other professions' new content requires a substantial XP sacrifice. Bestine Paintings, RIS Armor, Scythe, AV-21, Creature Mounts... These all require skill, and in some cases, a great deal of skill. But where is the XP cost?


LAMErs will 'earn' the xp for this song long before the rest of us. Who is this quest for? Who are they trying to reward with new content? ARE THEY PURPOSELY TRYING TO ALIENATE THE LIVE PERFORMERS?


They want to insist on a cost? I'll tell you the cost. Working our way up in skill ATK. Enduring buffbots and LAMErs. Enduring promises of new content for months. Having our top concerns be ignored for months. Watching other professions enjoy new missions, new dungeons, and new rewards for months. And still having the audacity to be damn proud to be a Musician.


If that cost isn't enough to earn a new song, then they seriously need to reevaluate their desire to have Entertainers in the game at all.





Amen.


Master_Mavric
Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:05 am
#109


Ok guys i have one statement to make for most of you....


ITS A GAME, GET A LIFE!!!!!


Message Edited by Master_Mavric on 09-27-2004 09:05 AM







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gera
Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:46 am
#110






Master_Mavric wrote:


Ok guys i have one statement to make for most of you....


ITS A GAME, GET A LIFE!!!!!



Message Edited by Master_Mavric on 09-27-2004 09:05 AM






Ok, It is a game then why you guys wait for combat revamp? It is a game.. Why do you wait for GCW to fix? it is a game...







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Master_Mavric
Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:49 am
#111







Gera Wrote:





Master_Mavric wrote:



Ok guys i have one statement to make for most of you....


ITS A GAME, GET A LIFE!!!!!



Message Edited by Master_Mavric on 09-27-2004 09:05 AM







Ok, It is a game then why you guys wait for combat revamp? It is a game.. Why do you wait for GCW to fix? it is a game...







Um first off if you look at my profession listing in my sig. you will see that im a non-combatent so the combat revamp and the GCW revamp realy dont concern me. I like it when we get new content and fixes. I like it when we get Dev Comunication. I dont get all worked up when things are/get broke. I dont get all worked up over fixes that dont fix anything. And I dont get all worked up over the lack of dev comunication. They are busy folks andI respect that. Besides that how would you like to sit there and read/listen to people doing nothing but whine and cut down your work all day. Can you honestly blame them?


Give them a break once in a while and take it easy before you give yourself a alsore<sp?>.


May the Force be with you.









Major Tolk Esrafa, MRiflemen-BH-Ranger, Antarian Ranger
Capt. Aris Esrafa, MBH-MCarbineer, Antarian Ranger


Fittz-O-Terror
Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:34 pm
#112

Dunno if anyone posted it yet but here's a link to a wav file of the new song. All instruments, intro, all 8 flourishs, stopmusic flourish: http://jenden.kicks-ass.net/jenden/Song16.wav


That will be 29.995 credits please



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ME, MM, MD Bloodfin
Ha ha..he he...you're so clever pulling my Nalargon away like that

Warryyr
Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:30 am
#113






Ravanne_Esi wrote:

Well the first promised release date for our new so called content has arrived.

Surprise!

Nothing!


I guess this means it will be sometime after Publish 11, which will be sometime after JTL, or roughly NEVER. The DEVs plan is becoming more and more clear, they are stringing us along until the Combat Revamp when they will eliminate the need for us by giving Mind Buffs to Doctors and doing away with mind wounds. Considering that we are the "Girlfriend Professions" (sorry guys) the only good thing is if they treat their RL girlfriends like this the chance that they will reproduce and inflict this kind of treatment on future generations is small.








Yep, nothing.


What a waste my time and energy. What's even MORE delightful is we're undeserving of any kind of timeframe as to when this will actually get implemented. Not one word. That's PATHETIC of this Dev team.


As for after JTL, yes Docs will get Mind buff powers. However, I do believe we'll get to buff the Specials bar. Which will be a very valuable thing, I'm sure. But, most likely our buffs will only be 2 hours STILL though it makes NO SENSE to me why that's the case. That more than anything in this game pisses off combat people. Because, if they want to be fully buffed and have a combat session, it's guaranteed they'll have 1 hour left on their Doc buff and lose their mind buffs. So they either make do without, or waste more Doc buff time getting Mind buffed again. I've never understood the logic of it all.


Anyways, hopefully we'll get new content someday. Hopefully we'll serve a purpose in this game after JTL. Hopefully by the time the Devs wake up and smell the coffee, the Live Entertainer community won't already have gone belly up.


Tralmek
Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:53 am
#114






Ravanne_Esi wrote:

...the only good thing is if they treat their RL girlfriends like this the chance that they will reproduce and inflict this kind of treatment on future generations is small.







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