Musician Archive
Thread: New song in Publish 10.2!
SinnAsyr
Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:35 am
#92
Cudayn wrote:
DarkY0da wrote:
Here is a TIggs quote "
Entertainment quests -- We needed to pull this because of some bugs that cropped up last minute inour internal testing.
"
So apparently they were just going to push them through but... ?? /shrug sure as heck wasn't from any bug testing on TC....
I think that was a very polite means of saying "We haven't had time to finish working on it yet as we have a lot of things that are a lot higher priority than adding content for a class that functions as intended.So you get screwed again! And we dont care! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha"
Durney
Fixed
NewJedi
Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:58 am
#93
The QA people have been on Test Center every day since 10.02 (or was it 10.2?) went Live, helping me and others test the quest, and volunteering to reset people who were unable to complete the quests the first time. I'm glad they've been doing this. I would rather see SOE get in the habit of over-testing than under-testing stuff, in the manner of Blizzard.
Also, this was our first chance to test the rewards -- the new song and dance. Dancers in particular aren't thrilled with the new dance, so this gives them a chance to offer feedback before it goes Live. And the same is true of our song: this is our last chance to see if there are any major glitches with flourishes, animations, or the base tune. So far I'm pleased to report that the song seems great!
SinnAsyr
Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:54 am
#94
Oh it is still in testing...ok....guess I will try not to be so mad 
Xanamiar
Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:32 am
#95
Once again the Musicians have been pushed back...
After some problems with the quest they said they were going to push it back to 10.3... however... 10.3 went in this morning.. and still.. NO musician quests.
Why are we being put on the back burners so to speak... I made a character on TC2 just for the fact of hearing this new song.. ((almost to the point where I can now..))
BTW .. the new song is named Western ((my character has it on her now))
Tip for everyone who does the quest... when the manager gives you a time limit, she really means it.. if you don't start playing at the end of the time limit, you fail the audition .. and have to wait 24 hours for another audition. Also .. Talk to the audience before playing.. they tell you what they want to hear to make them happy.
My only real question is.. "When is this going live now?"
Warryyr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:13 am
#96
Well, 10.3 has come and gone.
No new song, no new dance.
Good thing? Probably, since the Dancers, for the most part, are very uninterested in spending the time, effort, and xp to gain a new dance that's just as broken in it's base step as some of their other dances - which have been broken for over a year.
They are, shall we say, less than optimistic that they'll get anything other than a broken dance. Andshould they get their new broken dance, they are, shall we say, less than optimistic it'll ever get fixed (given the Devs' track record for that).
The good thing is - the new song sounds like it's a big hit! I'm doing some testing on it tonight.
The bad thing is - no Dev has bothered to say one additional word over all of this in the Feedback Thread. I can't say I'm pleased with the Devs' hit-and-run attitude toward us with Feedback threads. If they solicit feedback, it's only human nature to give feedback, receive no response or indication that it was received, and thus stop giving a hoot about providing feedback.
You'd think they could be bothered to at least say, "We're looking at the dance. We're weighing the opinions provided about the xp requirement. Thanks, and keep testing the new stuff and providing us with feedback."
Instead, I'm nearly positive we'll never hear another word from any Dev, they'll put things in as they are like they could care less about bothering with us, and forget the whole thing ever happened.
I seriously hope I'm wrong with that last statement! But I fear that's exactly what we'll see. The Devs seem to think that once they post a Feedback Thread regarding Entertainers, they're done and they never have to lower themselves to that level again by posting or having anything else to do with the thread again. Even if they read it, hearing nothing from ANYONE on the Dev team over the very valid concerns is beyond discouraging.
Banthabutcher
Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:09 am
#97
Well, judging from all the negativity emanating from the forums as of late I'd say it's a good thing it was pushed back. Who knows, maybe they'll fix the base animation for the dance and the XP req before it hits Live.
NewJedi
Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:32 am
#98
The base animation for the new dance does require some work. I spent more time watching it last night (thanks, Pappi), and I saw its flaws more clearly. It was odd: sometimes it looked right, sometimes not. It's odd that the flourishes -- the "hard part" -- seem so good, and the base animation -- the "easy part" -- is so off. So I see it as a good thing that the devs want to spend more time testing it.
Our song, though, seems to be in great shape. I've played it solo, with my droid, and with another Musician, and I've found no major issues with it at all. Other Musicians may find minor glitches, like the 32nd-note pauses some people hear between flourishes in some of our other tunes. But I've been trying to listen carefully, and I don't hear much of anything like that.
The quests also seem to be working well, and I for one enjoyed them. Nor do I mind the 400K XP requirement. It might be a tad steep -- hey, I wanna be a Jedi just like everyone else -- but I think it important that the song require some effort to obtain. I'd rather that effort be in the form of XP than cash. XP means we use our skills to earn the song. I know some Musicians disagree with me about that, and we'll have to agree to disagree. Again, if there is a strong consensus that an XP requirement is wrong, I'll pass it on to the devs, but I can tell you that they will insist on some sort of cost.
fett3041
Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:49 pm
#99
I haven't had a chance to test this yet. Haven't had a chance to get the 400k xp for the song.
I'm wondering... what kind of experience do you get, playing this song? Compared to playing Virtuoso, do you get more or less XP playing Western?
The reason I ask... One would assume that 'advanced content' would be worth more experience. Thus the 400k could be seen as an investment on a greater return. It would be faster to gain future experience in the future, thus giving live entertainers an advantage towards FS xp. (I say live ents because the bots supposedly wouldn't be interested in the song, since it gives no bonus to buffs)
Of course, I could be wrong, and the song gives us LESS xp, which would just be rediculous for 'advanced content'.
Fragpuppie
Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:25 am
#100
fett3041 wrote:
I haven't had a chance to test this yet. Haven't had a chance to get the 400k xp for the song.
I'm wondering... what kind of experience do you get, playing this song? Compared to playing Virtuoso, do you get more or less XP playing Western?
The reason I ask... One would assume that 'advanced content' would be worth more experience. Thus the 400k could be seen as an investment on a greater return. It would be faster to gain future experience in the future, thus giving live entertainers an advantage towards FS xp. (I say live ents because the bots supposedly wouldn't be interested in the song, since it gives no bonus to buffs)
Of course, I could be wrong, and the song gives us LESS xp, which would just be rediculous for 'advanced content'.
I was jamming with NJ yesterday on this.....I was pulling in the 17-20 XP range for western on a mando.
Its in line for the supposed level of Novice Musician. It does not show up in any skill box though so its real level is debatable.
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Coronet, Corellia, Chilas
gera
Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:25 am
#101
There IS a new song in Patch.tre file.. it is in Publish 10's main .tre file.. all drums and stuff..
It is pretty cool song tho when you listen as wav files.
But no idea how to get it, how to obtain it...
Skuzz
Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:35 am
#102
NJ,
I got a feeling that were going to get XP fined for the new song no matter what. Ultimately it doesnt matter for my master Musician (cuz his xp has been maxed out for eons), but its the point of the matter that i have issues with. You say that we're going to have to pay for the song one way or another from the devs point of view, Can you tell me why that is the case? The new song gives no game mechanic advantage, no stat/skill mod, no extra gain in XP, so whats with them feeling that THEY MUST make us pay for it? it doesnt make any sense to me. There are so many items in the game now that are skill gated that give ACTUAL game bonuses and they are free to use when you get them, so why is it we pay for one that is a simple (essentially) cosmetic addition thats been long promised to us anyway. It just seems weird to me is all. Maybe im missing something tho. /shrug
I got a feeling that were going to get XP fined for the new song no matter what. Ultimately it doesnt matter for my master Musician (cuz his xp has been maxed out for eons), but its the point of the matter that i have issues with. You say that we're going to have to pay for the song one way or another from the devs point of view, Can you tell me why that is the case? The new song gives no game mechanic advantage, no stat/skill mod, no extra gain in XP, so whats with them feeling that THEY MUST make us pay for it? it doesnt make any sense to me. There are so many items in the game now that are skill gated that give ACTUAL game bonuses and they are free to use when you get them, so why is it we pay for one that is a simple (essentially) cosmetic addition thats been long promised to us anyway. It just seems weird to me is all. Maybe im missing something tho. /shrug
DarkY0da
Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:48 am
#103
I haven't had a chance yet to test the song out or do the quests on tc... BUT I was wondering what happens to the song/dance if you drop all your musician or dancer skills ? could you still dance the dance ? Could you drop it all pick up nov ent and be able to play the song ? Any word on the new instrument ?
Warryyr
Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:48 am
#104
NewJedi wrote:
The base animation for the new dance does require some work. I spent more time watching it last night (thanks, Pappi), and I saw its flaws more clearly. It was odd: sometimes it looked right, sometimes not. It's odd that the flourishes -- the "hard part" -- seem so good, and the base animation -- the "easy part" -- is so off. So I see it as a good thing that the devs want to spend more time testing it.
Our song, though, seems to be in great shape. I've played it solo, with my droid, and with another Musician, and I've found no major issues with it at all. Other Musicians may find minor glitches, like the 32nd-note pauses some people hear between flourishes in some of our other tunes. But I've been trying to listen carefully, and I don't hear much of anything like that.
The quests also seem to be working well, and I for one enjoyed them. Nor do I mind the 400K XP requirement. It might be a tad steep -- hey, I wanna be a Jedi just like everyone else -- but I think it important that the song require some effort to obtain.
I thought the effort was the quest. Why is the quest not worth our time in regards to the reward. Why aren't you accepting that the quest is an effort? Your wording seems to imply we've been given a scroll for a new song for doing nothing. We are completing a quest, are we not?
I'd rather that effort be in the form of XP than cash. XP means we use our skills to earn the song.
Or we use a macro to earn the song while completely AFK for a couple days. Maybe while swimming in the backyard pool. Or going to the movie theater. Or sleeping. Or playing another game. Or anything besides using skills to earn the song. There is very little "earning" involved. AFK'ers get this reward easier than non-AFK'ers, NewJedi. Think about it. Every single AFK player will have gained this reward before anyone ATK. They gain xp for hours during which we're not even logged in.
I know some Musicians disagree with me about that, and we'll have to agree to disagree. Again, if there is a strong consensus that an XP requirement is wrong, I'll pass it on to the devs, but I can tell you that they will insist on some sort of cost.
I agree to disagree, definitely. I would like to know what a "strong" concensus is. At this point, looking over comments, I would say the vast majority are against any xp requirement.
And if the Devs "insist on some sort of cost" tell them the Quest is our cost. Why is the Quest totally non-existent as to something that deserves a reward?
Am I incorrect, or the Quest take TIME and EFFORT? What's the problem with rewarding TIME and EFFORT given to a Quest?
If they want the xp requirement to stay in as some "cost" then have them completely remove the Quest and just GIVE us the scroll for the new song or dance. Then we'll talk about xp cost.
If I do their Quest, they should give me my reward that I can use.
Message Edited by Warryyr on 09-23-2004 11:49 AM