Musician Archive
Thread: Poll for ALL Entertainers. Please keep it strictly to the questions:
Yo Sky
You made the thread you dont own it
Stop playin custodian of thoughts, and relax.
Threads have a life of their own.
CSkywalker, this is a troll post and you know it because you started it. Naturally, you think I am 10 because of my superior command of the language. That's a dead give-away, isn't it?
Blackrock, you made some excellent points and I thank you. You are right, all of us Entertainers are on the same side. We should be helping each other instead of squabbling. But Skywalker came to us in the spirit of "You've got it and we want it". That's what separated us into "sides".
I agree that it doesn't make sense for you to be able to craft an instrument that you can't play. I think that means that the schematic should also have been moved into the Master Entertainer box with the certification. If we took the opposite theory and moved the Mando, that would be undoing a specific change which the Developers intended.
I also don't think that Entertainers should play Ceremonial unless they are entertaining solo. In groups, they should play whatever the band plays.
Well thats a fair opinion I must say
OK how about you keep the Mando but we share Ceremonial.
Then we can all Jam
I hate sittin out on that tune. Plus you sound better with a Nalg/bandfillacompaniment
You still got that neat instrument and as a bonus you get a band to play it with
Woooooooooo!!!
PS I'm gonna be a happy camper when I get my blues shades and a big ole bass cello that I can spinflourish.
Wont that be neat
All kidding aside if it stays that way it stays. I can deal
Just as a for instance though. I dig a huge gig yesterday, the dancers were in their own group so that group flourished together and it was an awesome sight. The band also was in its own group so we coud BFlourish and we were keeping the audience really happy. But damm, then the request is made for Ceremonial and we all went ... ummm duhh.
That sooo sucks!!
I'd rather we not argue and focus on pushing for more tunes we need them badly.
I got a few Master smuggler pals I think I'm gonna recruit to get us some more tunes via the underground
Yeah ats the ticket
bulbous2 posts in this thread:
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Your "poll" is based on a BUG. The above statement is an ERROR left over from BETA that will be CORRECTED. You can'thave the Mandoviol or other stringed instrument. Please stop trying.
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First, you have offered no proof of the statement you make. Second, your last sentence here tipped me off about either you being 10, or an individual without the ability to communicate in the 'adult' world
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1. No
2. Both
But once again, for the record, this thread is biased and unscientific. You have stated as a premise that SOE wrote that the Master Musician could play all instruments, and you want them to stick to that. Well, guess what? They changed their minds just before the game went to the publisher. Unfortunately, they FORGOT to change the description!Does that mean they should roll back their change? Get a grip.
As additional proof that you are being a jerk with regards to this pointless survey, why did you call it a poll for "ALL entertainers", but posted it in the MUSICIANS section? I've never seen such a blatant put-on job; not even in politics.
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In your second post to this thread, you still offer no proof, then call a poll I started biased and unscientific. I stated my views clearly in the thread opener and people can take it however they want to. It was not intended to be scientific but I did want a general idea what other musicians thought. Next in this post you result to the childish behavior again putting words in the developers mouths, and attempting to attack my character.
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Well, at least we are getting somewhere. You're half right. As to the other half, look no further than the fact that he posted an entertainer poll in the Musician forum. He is trying to lead the results in the direction he wants.
Guess what? He loses anyway. THE NO's HAVE SPOKEN! As in NO CEREMONIAL, NO MANDOVIOL. No Stringed Instruments for Musicians, while we are at it. Time to give up, I'll be playingmy excellentMando. If you guys want to craft some more up for me, I'll make sure my ME friends give them lots of love.
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The statement in bold above definately indicates a very grown up person.... At this point in the thread, Bulbous has made it a personal mission to attack, flame and tease. All very childish.
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I'm sorry, but your motives are transparent. You created a poll in the musicians forum. Your intent was clear: You wanted Musicians to vote YES in droves, thus giving you fodder for your lifeless argument. It was my intent to make sure you didn't get away with it. What would have happened if I created a poll in the Entertainer forum that asked whether Musicians should get the Mandoviol or not? Do you think the results would have paralleled this poll? Of course not. Your wording and your placement were specifically designed to engender a biased result.
Again, you fail to see the point. You think you are not removing anything from Entertainers by giving additional talents to the Musician skill tree. You are wrong. What you are taking away from Entertainers is a UNIQUE ability and a UNIQUE song. If you give this ability and song to Musicians, you make it a common ability and song, and thus you have stolen from the Entertainer tree whether you see it or not.
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So it is a personal crusade of yours to make sure I did not get away with wanting to know what other people thought? Is it also a crusade of yours to attack my character, flame me and call me names?
You also call this a lifeless argument but it does seem to span on for several pages, and YOU rise to the occasion to give it life every chance you get.
Once again calling me wrong without any proof.
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Actually, no one has said that. The fact is, despite the gimme gimme attitude of the Musicians around here, the game is better this way. The fact that a group of Master musicians can gather together and put on an excellent show is a great part of the game. The fact that a Master Entertainer can walk in and enhance that show, bringing something to the table that they lack, is fabulous. This is how the game should be; it's better this way, and I won't let someone refer to an outdated skill description as justification for derailing this. It's patently absurd.
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Here you are again with the "Crusade" attitude and thought that this issue is something YOU and ONLY YOU control with the "I won't let...." Definately showing maturity here.
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1. Was that English?
2. The Mandoviol is not solely an instrument which can be used to make music. It is an Entertainer's instrument. A well rounded Entertainer needs a firm grounding in all Entertainment skills. This allows them to put on the performances necessary for Entertaining crowds with the Mandoviol.
3. Duh.
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Here Bulbous flames some other person for speaking an opinion. Very grown up indeed.
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Except for the "wind" instruments... which make up the majority. You just can't stand the fact that I am right and you can't have the mando. But you keep on fighting! You're bound to look less foolish someday!
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Speaks for itself.
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For a guy who's wrong, I seem to be getting more Mando action than all of you. If that's wrong, then WHOO-HOO!
By the way, I have to amend my official answer as of last night:
1. Hell no
2. ME
(Dropped Musician. I don't need it anymore, I have the best "instrument" there is, and all the Virtuosos are jealous.)
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Now this is probably the give-away statement as to your age...
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Ooooh! Good argument! I'm sure your side has been considerably boosted now.
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Well maybe its this one...
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CSkywalker, this is a troll post and you know it because you started it. Naturally, you think I am 10 because of my superior command of the language. That's a dead give-away, isn't it?
Blackrock, you made some excellent points and I thank you. You are right, all of us Entertainers are on the same side. We should be helping each other instead of squabbling. But Skywalker came to us in the spirit of "You've got it and we want it". That's what separated us into "sides".
I agree that it doesn't make sense for you to be able to craft an instrument that you can't play. I think that means that the schematic should also have been moved into the Master Entertainer box with the certification. If we took the opposite theory and moved the Mando, that would be undoing a specific change which the Developers intended.
I also don't think that Entertainers should play Ceremonial unless they are entertaining solo. In groups, they should play whatever the band plays.
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Here we start off with some bragging (maybe a 9 year old). Next comes the accusation and now BLAME for the whole splitting of sides between the classes...
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There you have it. Have I acted childish to? Yes, and while I know that I do not 'own' the thread the whole intention in starting this thread has been lost to bickering, flaming and childish behavior. For the record, I wanted to know what other musicians thought. Yes I should have titled it "A poll for all Musicians".
I thinks its kinda funny how in his latest post he attacks my character again and then kisses Blackrocks behind. If I would said the same thing Blackrock said, Bulbous would have flamed it as usual. At least that has been the trend.
At this point, I am done with this thread. I will remain available via PM but wil no longer reply to the posts here. Go ahead Bulbous, I know you are itching for the opportunity to attack me without my rebuttal.
Bulbous2 wrote:
For a guy who's wrong, I seem to be getting more Mando action than all of you. If that's wrong, then WHOO-HOO!
By the way, I have to amend my official answer as of last night:
1. Hell no
2. ME
(Dropped Musician. I don't need it anymore, I have the best "instrument" there is, and all the Virtuosos are jealous.)
Why are you even in this forum again??I thought this was the musician's forum, you know .....for musician's?? Take your sensitive, whiny but back over to the Entertainer forum where you belong and leave the real music to the professionals.
/snicker
LordTigris wrote:
Quite simply I view ME's as jokes, and you doubly so. No effort, huge reward. But then again, you disagree, because you couldn't hack it as a real musician. Like I care.
I know this post was mostly just a flame and trolling for more, but I think this quoted statement says exactly why no one should have any problem with ME's getting the mandoviol.
"No effort, huge reward." So anyone who wants the mando should have it already. No bickering because you want it, just EARN IT or stop the whining.
Should the master musician have the mandoviol and Ceremonial:
NO times 1000
Entertainer or Muscian:
Both
Skyshar wrote:
Ok Skywalker, now you just went out of line. Attacking someone because they disagree with you is one of the most childish things you can do, expecially when the only estimation of maturity in an online environment is the way in which one behaves. To go out and say that people should stop responding to another persons post because they are 10 is amazingly arrogant.
Now that I have a nice mad on, Ill respond once again. There are 2 solutions to this. Tell all MMs who refuse to put the time and effort into getting the mando, but wont stop crying about it, to shut the hell up. I personaly have some support for this option. As I however am running out of skill points, the other option would be to just get rid of ME in full, as if you want to jack the mando and ceremonial then there isnt much of a point to having it at all. It provides no benefit to ID, it provides 2 mediocre dances which should probably come with novice dancer, and the Mando and Ceremonial. In any event, even if I have to surrender ME, I will still support keeping the mando there, because the lot of you pathetic whiners who are basing your entire argument off of phrasing in class description instead of any valid points are making me VERY sick.
Laramee Kalindria
Master Musician
Master Entertainer
Soon to be CH/Pistoleer
Leutienent of the Rebellion
Actually, no one has any valid points whatsoever in this argument. For instance, I can say that your point about ID's and dancers is exactly why musicians are the class that gets shafted, because the other two don't. But, it's all opinion and since most of our opinions aren't listened to at all, they are not valid by default. However, the one valid point to be concerned with is that half of this forum agrees with you and half do not. That isn't a consensus, its a breach within the community that cannot be healed without some intervention from the devs. So people can yell back and forth till doomsday, but in all likelyhood, this argument isn't going away anytime soon.
Oh, and PS, if you are going to tell someone they are out of line for attacking someone, you shouldn't attack them and others in the same post. We call that a HYPOCRITE here where I'm from.
Bulbous2 you make my blood boil! When did I EVER say it was scientific... You keep saying what you want people to believe. It does not make it true. I also NEVER stated that I was unbiased and told my views from the start. Now you are also back to the name calling.... Very grown up of you. The only thing you have proved here is that you are a not an honest person. First you give us the *devs corrected something and forgot to change the description* line, WITHOUT any proof. And then you try telling people using quotes and everything that I said the poll was scientific and again there is no proof of that. You are a person who likes to start trouble. You dropped Musician.... Stay out of here if you dont like whats being said. It is not "Your Job" to make sure that anything happens or does not happen.
I challenge you to find one instance in this thread where I said the poll was "scientific" and "unbiased" and if you cannot I ask you to please not post in here again. Let this thread die... I do believe you WILL find the information you are seeking....
You will find it in the same Captain Crunch box that you eat from everday before mom puts you on the school bus with the other kids... You may also find in that box the proof that SOE forgot to remove a description as you also say.
For everyone else, I am sorry for the post... This kid just rubs me wrong and though I survived without replying to the hipocritical post of Skyshar's (sent a PM instead), I have a hard time when Bulbous2 continues to attack my character.
1: Should the Master Musician know all the songs and instruments available and have all the tools to put on a professional performance?:
Yes, they're Masters at all forms of Music.
2: What is your career path in regards to Entertainment in-game?:
Both, because as a Musician I feel I should know all songs and play all instruments in the galaxy. Besides how on earth can a Master Musician NOT know how to play a Mandoviol? (comparing real world musicians to SWG musicians isn't realistic in a world where Twi'leks live. =)
1. I think they're fine the way they are (though I'd like to see who gets what and when, when the new songs/instruments/dances come out). If Master Entertainer lost the song, dances, and instrument they have now, it would be another pointless mastering boxlike marksman or brawler.
2. Taking both Master Musician and Master Entertainer for the above reason.