Musician Archive

Thread: HOW TO AFK GRIND DANCER/MUSICAN

JohnMarble
Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:49 am
#66






Joshuatree wrote:


I bought the game to be a JEDI....not to be a musician, dancer or a swordsman.In fact I think a profession like musician should never exist.






I don't think the Jedi profession exist, myself. The movie was called "RETURN of the Jedi," as in, they were nonexistant in the time period in which the game is set. They weren't running around in Theed ganking people, they weren't selling lightsabers on the town bazaar, or standing on a street corner screaming they needed to buy force crystals, and they certainly weren't showing up on bounty hunter terminals. Because they were all already dead!


There were entertainers, though.


DeniraWyles
Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:42 am
#67

Well it's because of people like the thread starter that I no longer play in the Eisley cantina anymore. I endured five straight days of continual harassment from hologrinders because I wouldn't let them leech xp. I have three simple rules: no spam, no begging for tips/heals/invites, and be active with the people coming in. I'm sorry, but the thread starter needs to learn some manners and be respectful of those of us that do enjoy these professions and the players coming in. I have a nice long list of hologrinders on ignore, reported for harassment, and denied service because I am not your floormat to walk all over when you don't get your way. To think that these people affect so many others in their rude and selfish behavior has caused so much damage to the player community. It's because of hologrinders like the thread starter that I had to give up a very successful cantina operation where everyone was making money in my group because my group gave the best that they could. The last week we were there I estimate that the entire group pulled in about 1.5 million credits in tips. Now tell Mr. Hologrinder why do people like you have to destroy the community people like me are trying to strengthen?



Elder Master Dancer/Master Musician

I support at the keyboard entertainers.

Original Merchandising Diva
Colehuevuehajin
Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:07 pm
#68

bump



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PoetDancer
Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:25 am
#69


Proud of yourself? Because the truth of the matter is dear, that you are not doing anything all that special by doing this. In fact, it is boringly typical. And I'm sure that many players are grateful for leaving your buffhouse, but only insofar as they do not need to go back there for some time.


But make no mistake dear, players by and large don't go to your buffhouse because the like it. In fact, they hate it. Sure they like the buffs, but it doesn't mean they enjoy the process at all. And I can probibly imagine that they go there, group, alt-tab or ctrl-c, and ponder to themselves for the 3 to 10 minutes they are there as to why SOE even makes them pay homage to this silly ordeal that is going on in places like your buffhouse, or player cantinas, or even public cantinas.


And the ordeal is that neither buffbot owners like yourself, nor those who use buffbots see the venues as a place of activity, but as a place of apathy. A place where play ends, a senseless time sink where unattended characters service unattended audiences in an attempt not to show how these classes are to be played, but the futility of playing these things at all.


Because buffbots do not give the developers any reasons to keep these classes going, and they do not give players any guidance as to how to play these things. If anything, buffbots show the developers that these classes were a mistake to include at all, and gives players no guidance as to what to do other than press F1 to start the looping macro.


Tell me, have any buffbot owners, AFK macroers, or other unattendees read Sultrina's thread on dancing technique? Or read LadyTygress' essay, The Entertainer on SWG Stratics? Have any of you come forward to offer your advice on techniques to attract an audience? How to amuse them so they can have something to do other than press alt-tab, or put the ctrl-c screen up where every tick off the BF meter feels like hours? Because if you examine these forums, you may discover that our entertainment professions are very rich in technique. But it is a richness that perhaps you may not fully appreciate because it is not centered around game mechanics like buffing and BF. Rather, it is a technique that is based around doing the kind of things from making a tedious, simple, and boring mechanical process into something interesting and worthwhile.


Because we know that players hate going to the cantina. The cantina is a boring place, and its boring for a reason: they have left it up to us to make it more interesting. And I think it is most wise that you have made your buffbot public and free. You do nothing in the game mechanics sense that is worthy of compensation, and for that matter, neither do I. I get tipped for being immersive, funny, attentive, and interesting while I give the audience game mechanics. That's why I get tipped. That's why I get cheered.


And to tell you the truth, buffbots rely on playing entertainers for their own existance in this simulation. Because if it were ever to come to a point where the only entertainment services on a server are given out by unattended entertainment alts, the players will inevitably come to the conclusion of, "how is this fun?," "why am I doing this?," "why do we even have to put up with this farce in the cantinas any longer? Why can't we give these functions to real players rather than lot mules? Why do we have to reward players with double accounts simply for parking a toon?" And they will not only ask for the removal of your ability to manipulate the game world in a manner that defies the constraints of playability, but they will ask for the removal of these professions altogether. And they will have far more legitimate grounds to ask this than buffbots, if only to finally bury the agony of supporting a system where people who hate entertaining give mechanics to people who hate having to go to the buffhouse to get them.




Madame Sirii Ajaan
August 2003-September 15, 2005
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Colehuevuehajin
Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:20 am
#70

I am not rejecting the fact that the profession is dying, but you must come to understand that I need buffs for survival. Someone said they would be willing to come on call with me whenever i needed a buff. If you would like that, give me your cell phone number and emergency contact numbers so i can reach you for a buff whenever I need. This is why i have a buff bot, because at 4 AM there is not always a person able to buff every stat.


If you cant see the justifications in my actions, or attempt to see any logic in my thought process, I wont bother being nice about this topic.



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Dark / Azergarde
Warlock
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Fragpuppie
Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:02 am
#71






Colehuevuehajin wrote:

I am not rejecting the fact that the profession is dying, but you must come to understand that I need buffs for survival. Someone said they would be willing to come on call with me whenever i needed a buff. If you would like that, give me your cell phone number and emergency contact numbers so i can reach you for a buff whenever I need. This is why i have a buff bot, because at 4 AM there is not always a person able to buff every stat.


If you cant see the justifications in my actions, or attempt to see any logic in my thought process, I wont bother being nice about this topic.







Please, yet again, can we separate necessity from desire.


You do not NEED buffs, you WANT buffs. Buffs do make things easier, however the game can be played without them. We understand that to play the game youWANT to play, you WANT buffs, and it is our pleasure to provide them to you when we can. The game weWANT to play, however, does not include us competeting with non-playing AFK entertainers.



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Cendoth
Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:55 pm
#72

I cannot believe the amount of hate that is circulating around this thread. Why not let the hologrinders just finish up afk grind to Master Musician. Once Pub 9 comes out you will see a huge drop in hologrinders and once Pub 10 comes out it will be gone altogether. I sensesome people here are just unloading frustration at not being able to do anything about the afk hologrinders changing the entertainer professions. But thats going away so you can stop grinding your teeth.



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FarmerDozee
Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:40 pm
#73

What I can't believe is that Colehuevuehajin bumped this thread back up to start the flaming again.....




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Colehuevuehajin
Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:18 pm
#74


"Your excuse about being a jedi and after publish 10 being overt 24/7 doesn't wash because you chose to be a jedi"



Yes, i choose to be a jedi, i enjoy it. but i have to deal with pvp.....in pvp you need buffs. Nobody ever PVP's without buffs, its suicide.


You are a musician, you enjoy that. you get to deal with AFK macrotainers and "buff-whores"


deal with it or dont play the game......it is a game afterall

Message Edited by Colehuevuehajin on 06-27-2004 07:20 PM



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Dark / Azergarde
Warlock
Im back kinda
Beery
Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:53 am
#75

"I am not rejecting the fact that the profession is dying, but you must come to understand that I need buffs for survival."


You do not need buffs for survival any more than I need tips for survival. I play PvE and I've never been buffed - ever. I alsoentertain in cantinas and I rarely get tipped. But I'm still here. Neither my unwillingness to bother to get a buff, nor the cheapskate nature of cantina patrons, has killed my avatar.


Buffs are luxuries. You don't need them.



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
DeniraWyles
Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:51 pm
#76

You do NOT need the buffs you WANT them. Let's get that clear. I'm not the one abusing the game mechanics, but you are. I'm playing my profession as intended, but I wonder how you would feel if everyone in the combat professions started afkcombatwhores to leech xp from and 90% of the people in those professions did that. I still see that you haven't answered any of my questions, but if you did everyone would know how wrong you are. I'm not a musician, but a dancer. That's neither here nor there. Let's see who's playing the game;is it you or me? Hmmm It's me because I have only one account and I actually play my one profession. You exploit the game mechanics by not playing one of your two characters. Don't like it exploiter then move on and do something else.



Elder Master Dancer/Master Musician

I support at the keyboard entertainers.

Original Merchandising Diva
Lopaka79
Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:08 pm
#77

The most Diabolical HATERS in the Galxay lol.. man this is better than the BH forums hahahaha



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PoetDancer
Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:27 pm
#78






Colehuevuehajin wrote:

deal with it or dont play the game......it is a game afterall

Message Edited by Colehuevuehajin on 06-27-2004 07:20 PM





We are trying to deal with it, Colehuevuehajin. Every day we are logging in as entertainers we are trying todeal withit. Simple fact is, we do not know how to deal with it. Nobody has ever explained to us how we can live in a galaxy that does not need us. And so a lot of entertainers are taking your advice, and I'd have to say in our current situation, it is SOUND advice. Because entertaining in a world of buffbots only gives us two choices to participate: let the computer play for us, or lose our skills and pursue something that is playable. And whether you like it or not, Colehuevuehajin, entertainers are following your advice: they are quitting the game, because its hard to find the fun and the value in what we do.


Because its true, Colehuevuehajin. Despite all that my colleauges have said, youwant buffs. Youwant them when you do, and I do not blame you for running a buffbot who can give you those things. The problem is, what are we going to do? Well I'll tell you what we are doing, we are leaving the game and leaving the professions. And I guess if that's how the player base wants it, that's excatly what they are getting: a system where three player classes are manipulated to the point of non-playability for the convinience of the servers. And I'm not saying it is right or wrong that this is happening, but only stating the obvious. Make your own judgements whether this is increasing your play value or not.


Buffbots have given us a thousand reasons not to play. They have yet to give usareason to play. That's the problem. Because we were under the impression that we were to play live to a live audience that needed us. Not play to nobody in a cantina for hours on end. Not have a live audience view entertainment from a vacant entity and somehow get the same things as when one is participating. And again, how can I blame you for doing something that the developers gave you the tools to do, and have done nothing but condone the use of the tools that you have been given? I can't. I am but a simple dancer who is trying to play this thing. Far be it from me to question the motives of someone who does not want to play it.


But let us have no doubt. Running a buffbot is not play. It simply does not correspond to any common sense notion about what play is. Its an abandonment of play. Because if you'd have to play your buffbot to do all the things your buffbot does, you couldn't do it. And again, I don't want this to sound like you are wrong in doing the things you do, but only stating the obvious. The game is set up that there are many, many reasons to get a second account and not play an entertainer, and very few reasons to actually play an entertainer.


Anddespite what you may think, Colehuevehajin, this does affect our play. It pulls the motives for coming to us right out from under us. And I'm not saying that what you are doing is evil, or even that you should care if it is affecting the viability of our classes, but only acknowledge that buffbots are proof positive that this is a non-playable class, and a non-playable class is one where the motives to do it are not consistant with the needs of players. And if these classes are non-playable, my only question is why SOE is even promulgating the sad lie that one does better at this thing when they play, when the system gives players the same things we do coming from a vacant entity? Shouldn't they, not only for your sake, but for our sakes as well simply do away with these classes and give our functions to classes that are indeed playable?



Madame Sirii Ajaan
August 2003-September 15, 2005
"There is a difference between being /watched and being WATCHED."
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