Musician Archive
Thread: State of the Musician Profession
NewJedi wrote:
I love the idea of a droid that permits entertainer healing (and buffing). Maybe a C3P0 type droid?
If what I've always envisioned could be implemented, it would just be a module, like a medical module or a crafting station module, and could go into pretty much any droid. Give us the same radius to heal mind wounds AND fatigue as doctors get with the medical module to heal wounds outside a Med Center/camp.
I dunno, wouldn't a protocol droid be sorta overkill? Take away from the performer, because it's so tall and shiny and noticeable. Unless you want to use it like an MC. 
I'd rather have a little mouse droid or a R-something unit...but then, I'm a pretty short Twi'lek. 
I don't like bugging others on the other professional boards...should someone post something about a droid module on the Droid Engineers' forum?
Do something W the theatres. I was planning on placing the theatre for my player city (Deeva had already gotten a cantina) but was beat out by a Master Dancer (yes our city is full of entertainers, kinda Shadowfires version of Hollywood)and now Im so glad I was. Th place is useless as it stands. The only time it gets visitors is during our town meetings each Friday night.
Truth be told Im not sure what to do, make XP gains a little higher there - flourishes better looking - add cool spotlights to the design - Make buffs a little higher there.
any one or more of those would help some
Echinacea wrote:
I don't like bugging others on the other professional boards...should someone post something about a droid module on the Droid Engineers' forum?
Heh heh, I invade other forums all the time in pursuit of Justice For Musicians! I'll be happy to post something in the DE forum.
Yeah, maybe a protocol droid would be overkill. They're just so shiny and cool looking. Our city's cantina has a protocol droid and an R2 droid holding court near the entrance.
I had no problems with singing since the mount patch and i saw some others sing too this week.
NewJedi wrote:
Jiggle: Actually, isn't the /sing command now borked? I can't seem to get /sing [songtext] to work now -- not since the mount patch. /carol, /recite, /rap, etc. still work fine.
Okay, I annoyed them. Gods, I'm a verobse little sucker! Someone made some very detailed droid suggestions, which I addressed from my perspective, as some of them related to being able to do entertainment healing outside our usual venues, and being able to make recordings of performances. Here's what I had to say, please go post your own comments if you feel any desire to add to that discussion:
I just wanted to give a teeny bit of input to you, Drashk, from a performer's perspective, on the Entertainment and Holovid Module ideas:
- It's not healing of Mind Wounds outside the Cantina that most of us are interested in, but healing of Battle Fatigue. Preferably both, but if anything, Fatigue Healing. We can do Mind Wound healing and mind buffsin scouts' camps, but we're tied to the Cantina (and theoretically a Hotel or Theatre/Amphitheatrer, but no one ever goes there) to do Fatigue Healing. I'd like to be able to camp the Starport/Shuttleport/Mission Terminalswith the medics/docs and busk for change (and have it actually do something measureable for the patrons!) outside the Cantina. I have my doubts that the developers, in their infinite wisdom and Vision™, will ever let us get out from under being barefoot, fleshwrapped and in the cantina, but I can dream, right? (Yes, I'm a tad jaded and bitter.)
- The ability for a Musician or Dancer to create some kind of recording has been kicked around a lot on the Entertainer and Musician forums. (Probably Dancer, too, but that's never been my cup o' tea, so I don't know for sure.) There's a fair amount of resistance to the idea, as a contingent of the Performing Arts doesn't want to be 'reduced' to being a crafting profession. (I'm just the messenger here...I personally find that attitude rather offensive, as I'm also a Bio-Engineer, which is about as crafter as it gets.) At any rate, among those who wouldn't mind being able to offer a packaged consumer product, the consensus seems to be that it should scale somewhere in a Music/Dance tree like the mind buff, which you technically get at Novice, but it's pretty useless until you get up to at least the top of the Techniques line (where we get the buff effect ability). I personally think the ability to make recordings (of either Dance or Music) ought to go into one of the Healing lines, which currently confer only the ability to do the same thing, only faster, that we've had since Novice Entertainer. But then, I think the mind buffs should be in the Mind Wound Healing line, too. I'm just odd, though.
Ok, so that's more than a teensy bit. As an entertainer, I'm supposed to be loquacious, aren't I? I think 75% effectiveness of an Entertainment Module or Holovid performance might assuage some performers' fears. A Cantina/Hotel/Theater would still be a better venue for performing and getting entertainment healing, but there are a lot of us who want to be able to get out of the Cantina.
Hehe, I saw your post over there, Echinacea, and no one seemed annoyed by it as far as I could tell.
BTW, I saw some cough drops that bear your name. Echniacea is some sort of herb, I gather?
So, it's annoying, but serves a purpose. Just whatever you do, don't try and drink echinacea tea without some seriously heavy-duty sweeteners. Blech! The Ricola cough drops with echinacea in them seem to work well for me. A combination of echinacea and goldenseal is a common homeopathic treatment for colds, as in concert they appear to help whip the immune system back into shape. They do so separately, too, but together is better. (Not a bad thing to know this time o' year in the Northern Hemisphere....)
Aevlom wrote:
State of the Musician Profession: Obsolete. Period.
What does that mean?
Are you saying we are Obsolete?
I believe what the Vman means is that no matter what we try and suggest or do, the best that musicians ever get is a pat on the head (gimpy buffing ability) and told top go play with the other paste eaters (chefs/DE's/entertainers in general). We're the only profession that can be purely played by AFK players. With all this Holocron grinding numbness it is even harder now than ever for an honest musician to make a living. Now Combat Medics can heal mind damage. How long is it before our professions last 2 uses (Wound and BF healing, and buffing) are given to docs and CM's as well?
I love my ME/MM on Kauri. I started a char on Tarq just so I didnt have to loose him. But SoE seems too contented with letting Musicians and entertainers in general, go the way of the Dodo.
Prove me wrong, and I will gladly eat my hat. ohh wait, Im a wookie... I'll eat my Sage's hood.
However I do have some good news, my band is still thriving at a steady 10 members. We've lost a few to MIAs and holocrons.
But if you are a Musician and are on the Corbantis Server, as long as you are Neutral or Rebel, you are most welcome in my band, one of the few remaining safehavens for having fun with the profession.
If I could get one wish granted though it would be to sit down and discuss some things face to face with the devs. Cause there is a lot that could be done to improve the musician profession. To help with the AFK problem that is plaguing us, I would recommend getting rid of the Holocron grinding method of becoming a Jedi. That would help everyone because not just in our field but in all professions it is hard to find people who enjoy the profession they started with. There is an almost non-existent base of masters in certain professions. And its getting worse.
If anything they need to change the holocron thing. Get all the AFk'ers out of our arena, that would be good for starters. Then give us more material, more songs, etc. Then give us some benficial sense of purpose and use in the galaxy.
Sometimes these requests just make me stand back and ponder how the devs can ignore such simple rational thinking. As far as I'm concerned, they made almost no sense in all the changes they've made to the game.
Anyways, i'm rambling. If your a Musician on Corbantis, I want you in my band! If you don't have acharacter yet on Corbantis but are an entertainer on another server, become an entertainer on Corbantis and join my band, I take great care of my members and its an experience you won't soon forget!
Peace out.
My comments
I. Gameplay
1. New songs, flourishes, instruments – and distinct sounds for each instrument.
Agree fully
2. Discourage AFK-macro’ing.
I don't have a problem with people AFK-macroing, however, gaining music xp should be more indepth than sitting in a cantina for a week macroing to get master.
3. Better gig missions.
I've never done a gig misson, if they had a large payout however i might, also fora gig misons maybe payout should be detmined by skill? same misson better u are more you get payed, however this would probly cause coding problems.
4. More content.
Ain't nuttin rong with that
5. Self-buff and other improvements to our buff.
I couldnt agree more, I mastered musician and I can't even benifit from my focus/willpower buffs??
6. Mind heals and other ways to be useful in a combat group.
Anything like this would be good and also make the profesion more popular however, i'm not sure how this would be acomplished with keeping it realistic to the games natture
7. Music composition.
As a musician i would love this, however this could case some problems with poeple messing aorund with this and making our ears hurt.
8. Crafting improvements.
it would be nice to be able to make insturments better while crafting, decay on death - o lord no no no - also after seeing that new thing about changin vechiles colors, i dont see why we cant change insturment colors, not ever guitar, bass, piano, or saxaphone looks exactly alike, why should our instruments?
9. Dynamics.
can only agree
10. There is divided opinion on Ceremonial and the Mandoviol.
i would say leave mandovial in ent tree but give musicansa guitar 
11. New cantina features.
couldnt be bad
12. A few Musicians think newbs should be able to play high-level songs if grouped with Masters.
i disagree with this
II. Bugs
1. The stat bug.
i have never had anyone tel me this happen after i buffed them however i would not like it to happen
2. Targeting of the nalargon and ommni box.
it took me a while to figure out u had to target it, i never new why i stoped playing, this is highly anoying
3. A "gap" at the end of flourishes.
ive only notice this after the default song mesuare not the flourishes
4. Inability to /register at a small tavern or cantina.
i dont even know what the point of /register is
III. Balance
1. Money-making for entertainers.
money is always good
2. Holocrons for entertainers!
and so are holos
3. Bandflo XP.
never knew what happened with bandflo xp, all i know is if i did them peopel woild get mad so i stopedd, although its sounds much much better than everyone doin random flourishes