Musician Archive
Thread: My response to the common justifications of buff-bots
Akkurscid wrote:
I'll respond to this because it seems to be directed at me.
Akkurscid wrote:
Cudayn wrote:
Akkurscid,
As you have witnessed, and agreed with us, Buff Bots are a very bad thing. They are not however neccessary, they are just conveinent. The holo-grind is what put the entertainers almost totally out of business and have made most entertainers feel like not even playing the game.
We walk into a cantina andimmediately get spammed with macrobabble, and its hard to be a performer under those conditions. A lot of the entertainers have moved into private cantinas and rightfully so, but a few are still hanging out in the public cantinas, hoping for a bit of that old magic.
The nexttwo publishes will elliminate the holo-grind (Thank Goodness), andI personally think it will take a few months, but it should return the cantinas back to the live entertainers. But I am sure we are in for a very hardship filled turn around time as we will still need to lessen the amount of AFKer still in the cantinas "grinding away" because for some, thats the only way they know how to "play".
Hopefully, if nothing is done about theBuff Bots, then at least they will take them and stash them in tents, etc, like the one you frequent and I can hopefully have a returning of customers, because thanks to AFKers and the Buff Bots, we are are "maybe" one step above an NPC as perceived by the general populace.
There has been nothing said in all these posts that have not been said before and we are, IMHO "beating a dead horse". We keep going in circles here, chasing our tails, and arguing with each other about whats right and whats wrong. Well the Buff bots are wrong. We all agree. The AFK macroers are doing what the game allows them to do, frankly, so are the Buff Botters, however the AFKer is not taking money out of my pocket which is filled with 3600 credits at the moment.
I sincerly wish that one of the Devs would just pop in here and give us a mini State of the Entertainer Profession letter. Or just say, we are hopeful that the players themselves can turn the profession around once the Holo-grind has concluded. As it is, they really appear to be taking a hide and see what happens approach which to me, further alienates the customer base and makes for a lot of unhappy people writing angry posts, which itself is not good for the new members of the community.
SWG is still, perhaps the single greatest MMORPG thatI have ever played, and I have played almost every single one of them, and I am sure that I shall continue to play for years to come, if we can just have addressed a few items that we all agree need some attention.
Yours Truely
Durney Kova
Master Entertainer / Master Musician / master image Designer / Novice Dancer
Gotta love typos
Message Edited by Cudayn on 06-23-2004 10:23 AM
Message Edited by Cudayn on 06-23-2004 12:05 PM
With the exception of necessity, we are in total agreement.In your opinion
As for beating a dead a horse... after tonight I will PM those who ask with all my spam.
Message Edited by Akkurscid on 06-24-2004 02:26 AM
Durney Kova
Master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Image Designer / Novice Dancer
Akk, i agree with you 100%. I am creating a buff bot FOR A GROUP OF 4 FRIENDS OF MINE and in no way is that hurting the entertainer profession at all. My post on the dancer board looking for macro help was deleted by some Macro-phobic loser, where i asked for help and asked not to be flamed. As jedi, we need to be buffed as well, and yes, i have tried to search for musicians, but the masters either arent there, refuse to buff, hide their tags, or go anonymus.
I have tried dealing with no mind buffs, but it gets too risky evading everyone without them. If i had a buff bot at my disposal where i knew she would be on 24/7 (minus server downtime) I could live more freely.
I AM NOT RUINING THE PROFESSION
I am aware someone posted against this in another thread, but I pay my $15 a month and i intend to do as the game lets me. If i need buffs, i need buffs. I am sorry you feel that way, any macro help would be great. Yes Tralmek,i looked for them with the ADVANCED Button, but they apparently were deleted by the same mod, that deleted my post...hmm imagine that.
There is nothing wrong with buff bots, mabey if the entertainers would stop begging for money and spamming worse than the coronet starport, they would get more attention from the hunters who opt out of their services. IMO, going to the cantina with about 50 spammers isnt an ideal time...especially whenno masters are willing to buff.
edit: the house is private, furthing my point that I myself am not ruining the profession.
1 last point, people I know who use buff-bots use them as a way to attract traffic to their city, it works, they get customers and citizens, it works both ways
Flame on
Message Edited by Colehuevuehajin on 06-24-2004 09:52 PM
Colehuevuehajin wrote:
Akk, i agree with you 100%. I am creating a buff bot FOR A GROUP OF 4 FRIENDS OF MINE and in no way is that hurting the entertainer profession at all. My post on the dancer board looking for macro help was deleted by some Macro-phobic loser, where i asked for help and asked not to be flamed. As jedi, we need to be buffed as well, and yes, i have tried to search for musicians, but the masters either arent there, refuse to buff, hide their tags, or go anonymus.
It's hurting the entertainer profession because that's at least 5 less people who will not be paying for buffs to a real live entertainer. And, I have no doubt in my mind that that number will grow as you add more people to your list. Couple that with all the other buffbots out there who are only buffing themselves and 4 of their friends (or more), then you've got hundreds of people who are no longer paying real live entertainers for buffs. Yes, it's hurting the profession.
I have tried dealing with no mind buffs, but it gets too risky evading everyone without them. If i had a buff bot at my disposal where i knew she would be on 24/7 (minus server downtime) I could live more freely.
Heaven forbid this game should ever be a challenge for anyone.
I AM NOT RUINING THE PROFESSION
See above where I explained how you, along with all of the other buffbots are ruining the profession.
I am aware someone posted against this in another thread, but I pay my $15 a month and i intend to do as the game lets me. If i need buffs, i need buffs. I am sorry you feel that way, any macro help would be great. Yes Tralmek,i looked for them with the ADVANCED Button, but they apparently were deleted by the same mod, that deleted my post...hmm imagine that.
You don't need buffs. You want buffs.
There is nothing wrong with buff bots, mabey if the entertainers would stop begging for money and spamming worse than the coronet starport, they would get more attention from the hunters who opt out of their services. IMO, going to the cantina with about 50 spammers isnt an ideal time...especially whenno masters are willing to buff.
Dude, the real entertainers who aren't afk grinding to become Jedi hate the people who are begging and spamming too. We wish they would go the hell away. The real entertainers are not begging or spamming for tips or heals. This is yet another way the hologrind ruined our profession. Everyone now thinks all entertainers beg and spam. When, the reality is that 99% of entertainers who took up entertaining because they wanted to, and plan on keeping the professions do not beg or spam. It's afk'ers who are grinding to become Jedi who do this. We want them gone just as much as you do. They are the people that ruined the atmosphere in the Cantinas. They are the people that drove most of the real entertainers out of the Cantinas. They are the ones that made it so that you are having a hard time finding a buff. If they were gone, *when* they are gone, after Publish 10, the real entertainers will be back in the Cantinas. And, they won't be begging or spamming.
edit: the house is private, furthing my point that I myself am not ruining the profession.
Again, see above where I explained how the combination of you and everyone else who uses and makes and supports buffbots are ruining the profession. Believe me, if it was only YOU. If you were the only buffbot, and there were only 5 people using this buffbot, then I would agree with you. But, when you have hundreds of buffbots, and thousands of people using it, yes, YOU are helping to ruin the profession.
1 last point, people I know who use buff-bots use them as a way to attract traffic to their city, it works, they get customers and citizens, it works both ways
Yep, it does. It helps others out at the expense of the livelihood of the entertainers. Yet, for some reason, I have the decency not to give away my other services just to sell a mindbuff. Why? Because I care that I would be ruining someone else's profession.
Flame on
I'm not flaming. I'm just telling you the truth.
Message Edited by Colehuevuehajin on 06-24-2004 09:52 PM
Message Edited by Drygo on 06-24-2004 08:14 PM
Colehuevuehajin wrote:
*snip* mabey if the entertainers would stop begging for money and spamming worse than the coronet starport, they would get more attention from the hunters who opt out of their services. IMO, going to the cantina with about 50 spammers isnt an ideal time... *snip*
You'll find that most of the spam is coming from the AFK macrotainers, hologrinders, and buffbots. Live entertainers generally don't spam for tips, heals, or group invites.
I don't know what you tried in the search area, but you may need to click back a few pages to find what you're looking for. Additionally, there is a section on writing macrosin the"Entertainment for the Aspiring Jedi" thread stickied in the Entertainer forums. There is no shortage of places you can go to find a buffbot macro or the tools to write it.
Colehuevuehajin wrote:
i didnt mean to sound like i am for AFK'ing through them, im defending buff bots, I also know that the musicians who do stay at the computer dont spam...myself included. im sorry if i worded that wrong.
on the point of wanting, not needing buffs...untrue
-If i am unbuffed, and I get a TEF for doing anything jedi related, any oposing faction member can kill me, who will likely be completly buffed.
I am sticking to the 3 friends as well, not extending the list as we are all 3 jedi...and as jedi knights (in the upcoming pactch) we are overt permanently...which means travel into a popular city can mean death and 200k xp penalty if we are looking for buffs.
it is critical for some people to be buffed
thanks for not flaming, sorry if that came off a little harsh, i was just pissed at some people who have spoken to me on this board previously
Well, I just wish people would make more of an effort to try to "network" with more entertainers, and see the value of recruiting more entertainers into their guilds. A lot of entertainers these days are in heavy entertainer guilds because the other guilds aren't supportive of them, and they need a safe haven. I'm sure there are enough entertainers to go around where you could probably have 2 master dancers and 2 master musicians in every guild.Or at the very least you could find that many people to add to your friends list. There are many entertainers, myself included, who would love (and have) been entertainer buffers for hire and will go to you in your out of the way places to give you a mind buff. A good client who pays me decentlyand appreciates me gets exceptional service, and house calls. But, instead, people decide to take the easy route out and make buffbots. Instead of supporting their entertainers who are more than ready to be available if just given the chance, they instead support actions that ruin the profession.
Message Edited by kirah_ashlin on 06-25-2004 07:09 AM