Musician Archive
Thread: Guide to hijacking Buffbots
Kilnoar wrote:
So everyone justifies their stance because the post is old.
I took the time to show where a SOE representative said it was within the boundries of the game rules. Are all of you so lazy as to show me an updated stance via these boards? I'm sorry but second-hand or third-hand "CSRs told me so" just doesn't cut it. The apropriate text from the EULA has not changed since then, it is exactly as it was when the post was made. They explained their stance, because you do not agree with it does not justify your intrepretation of it.
I can just see using that argument against a speeding ticket.
"The signs need to be updated your honor. Obviously they wern't designed for my Corvette. Besides, the law is old, and the Senator who passed those laws is no longer a senator."
We can play the analogies game. Your argument is equivalent to George Bush saying that his stance is murder is ok, then you complain about getting arrested for killing someone. Every person working for SOE could say that AFK macros don't violate the EULA, but they would all be wrong. There is no "interpretation" required, it states explicitly that you may not use macros for unattended game play... period. There's no condition, there's no but, there's a simple statement.
If you really want I'll go grab a link to the post where the devs made it clear they did not approve of AFK macros and they were working on a way to stop people from using them. That implies to me that even if you do want to go with interpretation, their interpretation has changed.
If you can't /invite the buffbot cuz you're on /addignore, ask a friend or stranger to invite you and then have them make you leader
Same thing. They tried via game mechanisms to stop this practice, it has just been circumvented.
1) Find a squad leader with boost morale
2) Give the Squad Leader action buffs
3) Get a combat medic to give the squad leader large amounts of action wounds (use whatever species has the most action stats available for this)
4) Use boost morale to evenly distribute the action wounds to the buffbot. The more players with high action wounds, the better!
5) Eventually you will get the buffbot down to a laughably low number of action points. Repeat for the other bars if you are feeling generous (you are sharing the burden afterall)
If somebody did that to my character every day I'm pretty sure I'd be able to prove a case of griefing.
If you honestly feel it's ok to make a big fat character and stand over somebody, then please, do it to a "ATK" person. When they move, stand over them again. In fact, I think the next time I see an in-game CSR I'll do that. After all, it's completely ok to do so is it not?
It all boils down to the Game Policy:
Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. Harassment can take many forms, as it goes to the state-of-mind of the person or Squad on the receiving end of the action. However, in order to account for those who are more sensitive than others, the CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not the reported issue would be considered harassment and act accordingly.
As it says, it's subjective, it boils down to the fact that honestly in your heart do you feel like this "is the right thing to do" to another player. More importantly I suppose the question is do you feel it's completly justified for somebody to do it to you, perhaps they don't like ATKtertainers. So they can make big fat chars and stand over you, share action wounds, or try to give you a TEF. But it's all good because hey, at least they took a stand eh?
Those are my intrepertations tho. Honestly stated I'm neutral about the whole thing, I just don't see taking a militant approach and in the long run hurting your cause by making more animisoity. If every owner of these 'buffbots' starts petitioning the CSRs for behavior like this and it all comes from entertainers who do you think it's going to hurt in the long run?
"As it says, it's subjective, it boils down to the fact that honestly in your heart do you feel like this "is the right thing to do" to another player."
We've been asking that very same question of the buffbots for half a year. How incredibly hypocritical for a buffbot owner to turn around and accuse us of doing something with malicious intent when they've all but completely demolished and destroyed the entertainment professions, knowing full well the damage they were doing.
Let me ask you this, my friend. Whether or not you believe in it personally, it is clear from all the painful posts here and on the dancer forums that a majority of the ATK entertainers absolutely despise what you and your ilk are doing to them. Given that, do you honestly feel that running a buffbot "is the right thing to do"?
Kilnoar wrote:
Are all of you so lazy as to show me an updated stance via these boards?
You want it, you got it:
ThunderHeart wrote:
We have chosen to move the game to a state where players actually play the game, not simply run virtual robots by means of macros. At the same time, we want to ensure that we address those valid gameplay areas which are most impacted by the loss of recursive macros.
If that ain't a statement that AFK is unwelcome, what is?
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Kilnoar wrote:
If you honestly feel it's ok to make a big fat character and stand over somebody, then please, do it to a "ATK" person. When they move, stand over them again. In fact, I think the next time I see an in-game CSR I'll do that. After all, it's completely ok to do so is it not?
It all boils down to the Game Policy:
Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. Harassment can take many forms, as it goes to the state-of-mind of the person or Squad on the receiving end of the action. However, in order to account for those who are more sensitive than others, the CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not the reported issue would be considered harassment and act accordingly.
Boshooda wrote:
Awsome posts, I like to invite the bots to my group, run and hide in the corner and giggle. Primative, but its all I got. I look at buffbots like they've got a musician version of the TEF. Hey, I didn't like getting shot up by an oppopsing faction member, but it wasn't harrassment. They're fair game in my opinion.
-Chunga
Take it a step further. Make people pay YOU to join the group if they want in
SinnAsyr Wrote:
Boshooda wrote:
Awsome posts, I like to invite the bots to my group, run and hide in the corner and giggle. Primative, but its all I got. I look at buffbots like they've got a musician version of the TEF. Hey, I didn't like getting shot up by an oppopsing faction member, but it wasn't harrassment. They're fair game in my opinion.
-Chunga
Take it a step further. Make people pay YOU to join the group if they want in
Hehe "I own the bots in this cantina. If you want service it will cost you 5k a buff payable to me. After I recive your payment I will invite you to the group."
O and "Dont forget to Tip the Bot! Havea nice day."
Kilnoar wrote:
1) Find a squad leader with boost morale
2) Give the Squad Leader action buffs
3) Get a combat medic to give the squad leader large amounts of action wounds (use whatever species has the most action stats available for this)
4) Use boost morale to evenly distribute the action wounds to the buffbot. The more players with high action wounds, the better!
5) Eventually you will get the buffbot down to a laughably low number of action points. Repeat for the other bars if you are feeling generous (you are sharing the burden afterall)
If somebody did that to my character every day I'm pretty sure I'd be able to prove a case of griefing.
Nope. By performing a /join you have consented to joining the group and all things involved with being in a group. Your /join, whether performed by a macro or by your person, gives this consent. If you don't want to do something, say so in group and make it clear. If you don't like what's happening, disband from the group.
If you honestly feel it's ok to make a big fat character and stand over somebody, then please, do it to a "ATK" person. When they move, stand over them again. In fact, I think the next time I see an in-game CSR I'll do that. After all, it's completely ok to do so is it not?
It all boils down to the Game Policy:
Harassment is defined as specifically targeting another player or group of players to harm or inconvenience them. Harassment can take many forms, as it goes to the state-of-mind of the person or Squad on the receiving end of the action. However, in order to account for those who are more sensitive than others, the CSR involved will make a determination as to whether or not the reported issue would be considered harassment and act accordingly.
As it says, it's subjective, it boils down to the fact that honestly in your heart do you feel like this "is the right thing to do" to another player. More importantly I suppose the question is do you feel it's completly justified for somebody to do it to you, perhaps they don't like ATKtertainers. So they can make big fat chars and stand over you, share action wounds, or try to give you a TEF. But it's all good because hey, at least they took a stand eh?
If we're live and actually playing our characters, steps can be taken to circumvent such annoyances. If you don't like what's happening in a group, you can disband. If you're not there to take the appropriate actions, sorry - dangers of running a macro unattended.
I'm all for making /join function like /duel, and thus allowing anyone who uses the /join command in there accept a /duel. That sure would be fun.
Those are my intrepertations tho. Honestly stated I'm neutral about the whole thing, I just don't see taking a militant approach and in the long run hurting your cause by making more animisoity. If every owner of these 'buffbots' starts petitioning the CSRs for behavior like this and it all comes from entertainers who do you think it's going to hurt in the long run?
Well, it sure as hell won't matter how the buffbots feel about it, or how people feel about Entertainers' actions, once the buffbotchoice of "playstyle" is invalidated by the Devs. It shows Entertainers were right, buffbots were wrong, and our case was just despite what we endured along the way. The people who continue to bear a grudge against live Entertainers can go jump in the Sarlacc. They don't buffs, fine. We won't buff them. Those who are ruthlessly rude and brutal regarding this situation are (for my part) being recorded and their actions/words won't be forgotten. That's what's so handy about /note in-game. It serves as my permanent character long-term memory. I can even quote their words or their specific actions from a specific day.
Whether live entertainment will be a thing of the past by the time the Devs DO something about this horrible state of their game is another matter entirely.
hmmmm i may just reopen creature handler!
Nacoa wrote:
Step 1: Get a bantha as a pet
Step 2: Call bantha.
Step 3: lead batha into cantina, and on top of the buffbot.
Step 4: Say "Stay"
Step 5: Go about your business for a few hours.
