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Pooplefronk

Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:32 am

Hi all,

<quote>thenentered a corner of the cantina and reactivated the buff on myself by listening to myself,not grouped.I'm going to try and see if I can get that to work again too.</quote>

I'm sure he's pulling an extremity of some sort. You can't buff yourself. Thus, I find little reason to believe the fact that you can multiple /setperform. Especially, when NewJedi and several others have tried and failed.

<quote>these buffs should require resources.</quote>

Do we really need a false statement setting some thoughts of nerfing the musician profession in motion? I think not. Some of JohnMarbles other ideas like getting superior buff with ressources sound good but otherwise I say: "Scam".

Just my two cents.

/Rebi Owrag of Eclipse
Just having fun

Pooplefronk

Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:17 am

#15

Ok, fair enough,

<quote>Figured I'd see if it worked, and if not I would say something it Ireceived less than a twohour buff. I had about 4 minutes to go on my alarm when he started on the other guy. I waited, did a /stoplisten, and I got a 2 hour buff.</quote>

And you're sure you received the two hour buff? How do you define that? Just the double of mind subs or did you actually wait two hours beforeit went away? You do know that even if you're just buffed for 4 minutes with /setperform, you still get the doubling of scores, not just for the same period of time?

I'm not into hosing you, just a bit sceptic

<quote>Then Imanaged to reactivate my buff by playing in a corner of the cantina, andthen typing /stoplisten. I didn't evendo a /setperform when I did this.Happened before the last patch, and I haven'tdone it since. So tonight, after getting buffed, I'll kill myself and see if I can replicate it.</quote>

Must be a bug. Let us know if you can replicate it

/Rebi Owrag of Eclipse
Just having fun

JohnMarble

Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:46 am

#16

I knowI had a 2 hour buff because it said it would last 2 hours on the new buff panel, and it did last 2 hours. I know the musician at least attempted to buff the second guy, but I should have stuck around to see if it took. I'll try to do this tonight, but I'd rather somebody else successfully pulls it off--make me look less crazy. Just wait a couple minutes between using /setperform, I'm thinking.

Pooplefronk

Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:48 am

#17

/Rebi Owrag of Eclipse
Just having fun

Kealles

Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:26 am

#18

Passive or active, there seems to be no difference. I used to think that for group members to receive a full buff, that they'd have to listen to me for a longer amount of time, but research I did last night, showed that group members received the full, 2 hour buff,from only 7 minutes of listening... The same as using /setperform for people outside the group. (I also tried running 6 minutes, and the buff went for 1 hour 50 minutes, so full buffs must run between 6 - 7 minutes.)

I'm still not sure if it's possible to buff an entire group at once without being in it, but I know now that it's possible to buff the other 19 people inyour group simultaneously in 7 minutes.

If I get the chance, I'll try using /setperform on multiple people at once.

I'd especially like to thank the new buff monitor for making all this research possible! Nice work devs.

v Caihsk Ahxi'lya
Master Musician | Master Dancer | Master Entertainer | Master Image Designer
v Akeira Ahxi'lya
Rifleperson | Bounty Hunter

NewJedi

Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:17 am

#19

Yes, I'm surprised at how helpful the new buff icons are. It makes it much easier to test, with precision, just how long you need to play to get to max power and duration. Previously, I had to play and then hope to track down the recipient in two hours to ask how long it lasted. Even then, the recipient might be afk or offline when the two hour mark arrived. Now, the recipient can just look at the buff icon.

We still need something on the Musician's HUD to verify that our buff is in progress, but the recipient's icon goes a long way to demystifying and reifying our buff. (Hehe, reifying: there'sa word I haven't used since college. Cf. Reification, n.: the process of making something more real.) Even a couple of my PA-mates didn't seem to realize how long our buff lasts.

Lobaca-Scylla

Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:57 am

#20

"I still think the buffs should require resources. Read the doctor forums, what they have to go through. It's difficult to associate any value with my buff when there is no cost, in credits, for giving them. Sure, there's the cost in skillpoints and time, but it is difficult to ask someone for 4k for something when they have gotten the same service for free from an afk bot, or some guy who just threw the performances at everyone who walked through the door. People associate my service as something they should be entitled to get for free."

You have to have a mind about you to differentiate between what is fair and what people get. People always get things for free IRL those are bonuses perks and awards, they arent fair to all the other 37 million people who didnt get them. An easy way to deterimine how much a buff is worth is what your time is worth?

I have a MTK MDoc alt I can go to endor and make 20k in ten minutes easy - in two hours which is how long your buff as a MMus or MDan lasts I can make 250k easy. I dont do this regularly but this is an extreme case im using to make my point. So to me ten minutes of my time is worth 20k in game because if i wasnt doing someing for someone else i could be making 20k for myself.

Now that buff takes roughly ten minutes to attain from you 20k everyones not going to be comfortable paying that nor can everyone farm cash that efficiently but in a group you can farm at least 1/2 that in the same amount of time so.

10k is a very reasonable cost for a buff. Well doctor buffs arent that expensive. It dont take ten minutes of my time to apply a full set of buffs either. It takes me maybe 3 minutes per person to buff a full set, and cost in resources if i farm them is inconsiquential. So a doctor is making 24k in ten minutes buffing. Now for a group buff I think charging each individual for a normal rate would be reasonable.

My Two Cents -

Lobaca - Master TK - Master Doctor

Zallon - Master Dancer, Master Entertainer, Master Musician, ID

Vaxi - Master Architect, Master Artisian, Master Tailor

Staveeno

Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:31 am

#21

ok, so why should entertainers have to use resources to buff?

for one doctors, can buff anywhere, anytime with a droid. Entertainers can't, need camp or cantina, camp takes resources to make, entertainers always have to run to a cantina or whatever to buff anyone, the loss of time with the whole mind buff thing is worth the weight of resources.

2nd, Doctor buffs are way stronger than entertainer buffs most of the time.

3rd, if you die you can't rebuff your mind until the old buff timers run out, doctor buffs can.

I for one would be happy to pay for an entertainer stim pack that could just buff me in 1 second and I'm out the door and also be able to bump my mind up 3000 pts.

Bloodfin: Staveeno's Museum and Shop 884 -4788
1k Outside Coronet Correlia
Staveeno - Jedi
Lelei - Spy
Ekita - Salesperson, Architect, Shipright

JohnMarble

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:02 pm

#22

Okay, so you can't /setperform multiple people at the same time, so the title of the thread is wrong. The reason I was confused was that the time it takes is a lot less than I thought it was. The two times it happened, 4 minutes had passed by the time these guys had /setperform'ed someone else, so they were just giving me the full 2 hour buff in that time (when I thought it would be taking them 8 minutes).

I still think buffs should take some sort of resources, cheap resources, whatever. When there is an actual tangible cost for doing this, it would give a reasonable price one could set. I understand that one's time should be worth money, but it is difficult to assign a value to time. I know what my time is worth, by seeing missions I could run, but many players just look at you and figure you'd be standing there playing anyway, so how should they have to pay too much? I find I get better tips when they realize I'm going out of my way to run to the cantina to meet up with them, and some players are generous when they do find somebody non-afk and actively buffing. But with buffbots, I'd like to see resources.Crafting up something to allowbuffing would also give me something else to do, and the profession needs something else to do. Hey, but it'll never happen so don't worry about it.

Fragpuppie

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:32 pm

#23

I was just going to reply to the post that the last example looks like 2 valid 2 hour /setperf buffs. I have found that the duration of the buff isHIGHLY DRIVEN byfactor of how often you flourish. If you flourish like mad, you may be able to buff in a short period of time. If you flourish slower it will take longer. As the FAQ states, factors are instrument, song, and flourishing. I can't wait to get home and try some rapid-no-pause-flourish-deluge and see if that lets me buff faster.

As to the other buff...the "re-activation", I find that if you listen to someone and get a buff and then listen again,wait the duration and walk away, BUT WAIT until the first expires to do the /stoplisten, when you eventually do the /stoplisten you will have another buff. It wastes time on the first one, listening to "bank" the second one, but you still get most of the first one and you have a second one in reserve. This may have been what happened to you.

Hey NewJedi....log into Chilastra tonight...Frag and Ricky can have a party in Coronet and test some stuff. Plus there are tons of victims...er...clients there also.

Fragpuppie Uber
Master Entertainer, Master Musician
Guild Leader - Performer United Professional Society (PUPS)
Band Leader and Booking Agent - Frag's Puppies
President and CEO - Fragpuppie Enterprises and Uber Instruments
Coronet, Corellia, Chilastra

Staveeno

Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:24 pm

#24

Like I said, Lets use resources for mind buff for entertainers, but at the same time I want to be able to buff in 1 second like a doc can. If you can't do that then I don't want to have to need resources.

Bloodfin: Staveeno's Museum and Shop 884 -4788
1k Outside Coronet Correlia
Staveeno - Jedi
Lelei - Spy
Ekita - Salesperson, Architect, Shipright

JohnMarble

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:20 am

#25

Well 4 min really isn't too bad to wait for a buff, really. Honestly, it usually takes me a good 10 minutesto get a buff from a doctor because

of the lines, sometimes longer(Maybe it's because I'm short or ugly but they always seem to buff people who got in line after me). I like the idea behind that newbooze, T'ssolok, reducing the listening times for buffs, but it isn't useful because there's no feedback on when the buff is actually ready. I was thinking it'd be good for group buffs, but is it true group buffs don't take twice as long as /setperform? Now what would have been great,maybe they should've given us booze that would increase our mind enhancement skill, that's kind of what I'm getting at. I could compete with a buff bot, and demand a tip actually worth my time,if I could buffat %200because I was drunk.

Fragpuppie

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:31 am

#26

OK so this is my Buff report from last night.....

And Newjedi, yoiu should have been there.

/announce

I can reliably do a full 2 hour, full stat (for me 112%) music buff on a /setperf in 3 minutes 10 seconds

For proof, I'd say ask any of a number of people who received them last night, or more appropriately asking Quintus. He showed up in Coronet Cantina last night, I taught him how and he was able to do them also....after I gave him one (hee hee).

I will say that there is a cost involved in that the number and frequency of flourishes is inhuman (and inMonCalamarain in my case), and I needed to use Tatooine Sunburn to not pass out.....however my action pool went up during it on sunburn.

If you want to know how, I'll post, but I want to do more tests to make sure that I can't reduce the number. Oh and this included no buff time reduction food.

Fragpuppie Uber

Master Entertainer, Master Musician

Guild Leader - Performer United Professional Society (PUPS)

Band Leader and Booking Agent - Frag's Puppies

President and CEO - Fragpuppie Enterprises and Uber Instruments

Coronet, Corellia, Chilastra

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