Musician Archive

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Kilnoar wrote:

Buff bots don’t ignore you when you ask for a buff, they don’t whine about the tips they’re not getting they simply function. I feel quite sure I'm going to be flamed for that response, but I honestly believe it to be the truth.

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First of, may I say,that was a wellwritten post. But, why should we play a character simply to function in a way that benefits you? I mean, by that logic, you should go out, get beat up and come and watch entertainers, cause, thats your function to us. Do you like being thought of merely as a hurdle for us? We can't advance unless you come and listen much like it may be difficult for you to advance without our healing/buffs. the real problem here is that playerA thinks that everyone else is here for PlayerA's benefit. I'm not saying your playerA, mind you, just a general view of what I've seen non-entertainers think about entertainers.

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MusicalDina wrote:

Interdependency is very much in this game. Did you make your last weapon? Did you make your armor, your buffs?

Having a second character that you play is your business as long as you dont afk. It sounded like what you were doing is logging it on when you needed buff, then logging it out. That is by far not the worst of the worst.

You said you played eq. Did you have a priest as a second char just to heal you?

Convenience is all nice and everything, but lets be realistic. If oyu always expect to get what you want when you want it you are going to be very unhappy. I noticed that you havent said you have a doc alt. do you? why not? What do you do when you go to coronet and there is no doc there, or the line is 25 long?

doc is probably the most common alt to have, why?because of the 25 person line in coronet, entertainer is probably second most common, why? because of the elitist garbage you people spew constantly. "How dare you want to get healed or buffed without wanting to endure constant blathering prattle", thats not interaction, its torture to have to listen to the latest airheaded chit who is hanging out with her/his other airheaded chits.

Why are entertainers held to a higher standard of convenience than other professions? I have posted this too many times tonight, i have it down by memory.

The fact is you do not get everything you want ingame when you want it. not everytime you go to a crafter's vendor do they have what you want/need. heck i once spent over 3 hours looking for a stupid piece of armor. i just wish entertainers could be held to that standard.

You do have downtime when you arent 'doing what you think is fun.' it is part of the game. Your weapon breaks, what do you do? You go to find a new one. It is was a dxr6b rifle. Ok well you go to weapon vendor after weapon vendor looking for one. What do you do when it takes you a long time to find one? What if you dont find one? If you are hunting something that has low acid resists it is a high need. heck in a lot of situations that would be much higher than a mind buff.

Fact is that we ARE held to a higher standard of availability and when for some reason we cannot be found in one cantina, we are assumed to have none online. Most dont check another cantina, most dont even check one before going to the bot.

So make yourselves more convient. Sorry your not getting the xp you want in JerkwaterCity on talus, try coronet, or Bestine, or somewhere other players use as a transfer point. Would seem to make sense to me.

There is no excuse for bots except laziness.

And of course, not wanting to have to deal with this crap ingame.

As for the rest of your post.

Elitism is a word that was thrown around quite a bit. Most of us dont think we are the best ingame. Is it our way or the highway? no. Do we not allow others to come here and ask for help? we do.

Unless they want to have an alt who is an Entertainer, then your raving arse's, because how dare anyone abuse "YOUR" glorious vision of what your profession should be.

What we will not put up with is the ruining of our profession the same as you would not yours. What would you do if somebody put your character on /follow and kept out damaging you on everything you shot? Probably call support for harrassment. That is what buffbots do to us, but when we call harassment we get the run around. Why should we not be hostile to those players that are ruining our profession?

Face it, its not that your profession has been ruined, its that it should have never needed to be nessecary in the first place, and now JTL is making you even more useless(BF doesnt affect how you fly). Your hostile because your that type of person, and that seems to be the type of person who gravitates to Entertainer in the first place. Anger because your proff can be macro'd and never needs to be live to exist, anger because your not getting what you wanted from the player base, when your also not that eager to earn it, it should of course be a given that I will hunt you down for your experience rather than use an afk healer right beside me, and in general, just angry.

Because you have only been around for 6 weeks you have missed a lot. In the very beginning of the game it was nothing like this. The AFKers came in full stride about november to december of last year, and we started complaining then. It was just hoping the devs would do something because the spam was intolerable. With the jedi AFKraze in january and feb of 2004, it only got worse and AFK became an accepted way to 'play' this game by the majority of players. We have tried to get something done for over a year because it does ruin our profession.

After a year of frustration and effort to get rid of people who dont 'play' the game, some of us have gotten rather hostile and mean when people come here asking for us to help ruin our profession.

Afk'ers dont ruin your profession, your just not smart enough to out play someone who isnt even there, sorry, but if your mad because someone who is afk is outplaying you, then you have other problems, that getting rid of macro's wont fix.

If i went to commando boards and started a post ' commandos are too strong they need to be nerfed' what do you think the reaction would be? Well we will not help nerf our profession either.

The people that are still left playing have done one of several things to continue having fun ingame. 99% of those things involve retreating from the public cantinas due to AFK players.

And you are complaining because the majority of the population refuses to search you out for your experience. If you want my wounds or BF you need to be where i can find you, in the Coronet Cantina, or the Theed Cantina, NOT IN JerkwaterCity because I have no desire to ever go there, its not on my way to anywheres, if you dont like that, check out my bot, he is in the Cnet cantina and gets all the xp he needs(no buffs though)

Entertainers are out there. It would save you money to make friends with us. We are quite enjoyable people, really. Just dont approach us /shout BUFFZ!!!!

And expect to be greeted with the same hateful crap you see in these forums.

To sum it up. As much as you meant to not be disrespectful, this kind of post is. There is a sticky at the top of the forum that gives the help you need. If you would have looked there first you would not have needed to ask us to nerf ourselves and would have saved you in the long run. Same goes with if you make some friends in game that can buff you will save in the long run.

(I just started laughing really hard. You think this forum is elitist and whiny? Go to the jedi forum and say jedis are too strong. Then you will see REAL elitism and whining.)

While i used to think Jedi were the biggest babies anywheres, you guys in these 3 forums have proven time and again that they cant hold a crying cande to you.

Gratz, /startWhine constant; /flourishWhine1; /flourishWhine2; /flourishWhine3; /ui action toolbarSlot00;

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MusicalDina wrote:

Well it is apparent that you have had some bad experiences in game from entertainers. It has been my experience that the only time entertainers are mean ingame is when there is somebody afking, or disrupting our game. YOU would be just as mad if somebody was doing the same to you.

You fail to recognize that we cannot outplay an afk. How can we? Please inform me how we can. The only thing we can do that an afk cannot is socialize. but people like you arent interested in that as you so elegantly stated.

Socializing is not begging/whining/complaining, if you actually try to talk to me, I will gladly respond, but thats generally not happening. To outplay an AFK Entertainer, is to simply be entertaining, since they cant be.

The only people that get any sort of negative response in these forums are people who play AFK, and they deserve that negative response.

No one deserves the garbage that gets spewed in here, rather than just say you dont want to encourage AFK play, there is always some nasty little diatribe that goes along with it.

Anybody who has an entertainer alt, and wants to play it legitamately doesnt come in here asking for buffing macros for their support alt.

Thats basically a load of crap, everyone in here uses macros, and if you say you never do, then your either a liar, or your not "socializing" because your clicking every 3-8 seconds.

Should i go to the jedi forums and ask them to allow bounty hunters to ruin their game by letting jedis get saber tef again?

Should i go to the TKA boards and say dizzy/KD needs to be nerfed?

Been done, and all of these profs got nerfed because of the never ending crying by people who want everyone to play their way, dont forget to include CM, CH, BH just to name some that are worthless now because of the nerfs.

ALL these things negatively effect their profession and should i ask these profession that i can guarantee i would be flamed more than anybody is here. Especially if 5 people did it every week. You are asking us to help you ruin our profession and we will not have it.

AFK play has no affect on how you play, its not ruining your profession, you just dont like it because it shows how unnecesary it is. Your profession still exists, you can still socialize to your hearts content(which is the goal of your prof) you can still heal and buff if you care to, or tour in groups to entertain those who want to be entertained. If its strictly the income, what did you do before buffsto earn creds? You entertained, for some reason, thats not happening anymore, possibly because your in here complaining instead.

I think this about sums it up. This is such a wrong statement. We should never have been necessary in the first place. We should not have to be searched out because there is an afk right next to you.

Why should we not be sought out? You want our services. But then we should never have been made in the first place. Well dont get mad at us that sony envisioned this game to be MULTIPLAYER. You dont want ot socialize that is fine but that means you are missing out on a large portion of the game. If you just sit around talking with your friends while doing combat you are missing out on all the cool people you could meet, and i can guarantee you that if you werent so hostile towards entertainers, you would see that we arent as bad as you are making out.

I do socialize thank you very much, and I play this as a MULTIPLAYER game, just not your version of it where i sit in a cantina all day getting complained at because someone else isnt playing your way. The entertainers I have met have earned my attitude, enough so that I created an alt just so I wouldnt have to listen to them everytime I wanted to heal up.

no we arent hostile to those that have entertainer alts. We are hostile to those who afk. AFk is not playing your alt. AFKing is not playing at all. If people played their entertainer alts they would see what we see.

If you are actually playing your Entertainer in a way to attract people to you, you wont notice it either, if your just hostile because there is an AFK on your server, then I would imagine thats why they are avoiding you.

Well how dare us play the game the way we want to. We dont force you to talk to us. we dont force you to sit there and read what we say.

Why not, your so offended by the way I want to play my game, I shouldnt have to put the room on ignore just to heal up.

What we do force you to do is use our services the same way you are forced to use a doc's service, or a weaponsmith or an armorsmith.

Not only that but you go on to personally insult us again and again within your post. so we are airheaded chits eh?

If your out meeting and greeting as much as you say you are, you would see that it is constant in the cantinas, and this seems to be the prof that attracts those airheaded chits. They arnt out killing rancors, they are inside complaining about it. And the doctors are where the people are, not off in the remote areas of planets, but near the starports where they can be seen and customers can find them easily. Weaponsmiths have vendors, so to all other crafters, so that is not a fair comparison for either of us, I use 1 armor smith, because he is always stocked, and takes great pains to make sure his clients are happy, same with the weaponsmith i use. Did you catch that part about ensureing his customers are happy?

and as for whining. Our forum has two maybe three whines on it. 1 is afking. 2 is lack of content. and 3 is lack of dev interaction.

Guess what, welcome to SWG, there is no content, or dev interaction. Its about finding what you like to do and doing it, and that involves finding the quickest way to get back to it when your forced to take a break from it. If thats an AFK player, then it is.

Do i dare go to another forum and read the constant whining there? You must not see it, but there are whines everywhere. GCW sucks, PVP sucks. master pilot is too hard. Jedi is too gimped. Your signature is a whine. Should we be different from other professions?

Of course you shouldnt be different, your prof is the most busted, the most abused, the most ruined, the most whatever your complaint of the day is, but when I agreed that doc buffs need to be toned down, I didnt get half the flaming that goes on in here on a daily basis, or when I said Jedi need permadeath toencourage them to stop dueling in Starports, it still wasnt the flaming that happens here.

And finally, if you do not believe AFK hurts our profession and the game, you need to open your eyes. AFK may not seem to effect you but i can guarantee that this game would be better without it, and a ton better at that. But then you dont want social interaction so you would be happy with everybody AFK.

You dont even know me, so dont try to put me in your little box thanks, in the last month, I have paid more than4 mil creds for LIVE entertainers to perform at 2 weddings. Yes I said LIVE, pls advise me how AFK'ers hurt you in this? or even affected this? If your out there doing your job, this is how you will make a living and meet interesting people.

Oh well since we are just airheaded chits why even come here and listen to our useless blathering prattle, and go back to the combat forums where you will enevitably be more happier anyways. We obviously arent going to convince you that AFK is wrong, and you are obviously never going to convince us that our profession isnt being ruined by AFK.

Sorry to dissapoint you, but I dont visit the combat forums, just the BE, Ranger, and this one, I have found most of your complaints to be similar to everyone else's, but the anger level in here is considerably higher.

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Aory here is a thing you should consider. Entertainers was advertised by SOE as the profession for socialises. We are mend to chat up our patrons, if you do not wand to socialise with entertainers then become a Jedi, they are the only 100% self-reliant profession. Alternatively, become a crafter, they do not need entertainers at all, and they can do all thair interaction throe thair vendors.
You choose to be a combatant, and with that comes BF, so you choose a profession that is rely on entertainers. And you do not have to have to level up an entertainer to master you combat profession, you just have to interact with some. Just like we entertainers need to interact with combatants to master our profession.

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Tralmek wrote:

*adds Aory to Tralmek's ignore list* Welcome to my collection.

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No problem's here with that, youve just been banned from my various shops, thanks

Message Edited by Tralmek on 11-14-2004 02:49 PM