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Thread: AFK buff macro

Tarnak_Archvold
Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:35 pm
#14

Ignoring is so much better then flaming. Anyone can do a forum search for the topic and find out how we feel about it, if they post they are at the very least to lazy to do such a search. That is if they do not already know how we feel about the topic and are just trolling.

Do not feed the trolls, they just come back for more.




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Warryyr
Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:00 am
#15






Tiaga wrote:
Your wookiee punctuation?

*goes off to study wookiee grammar*





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Amythen
Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:33 am
#16

Mikeli, you are feeding a very bad habit amongst the players. Why do you want to do anything unattended? If you don't have enough want to do something, then don't do it at all. Leave to those of us who like to provide the services and entertain you. Do a search in game for dancers or musicians, and then send them a /tell ask how much they want for a tip to buff your group. Ask if they will come to you and add incentive to do so. Or ask if they will buff you come to them for the service.


You don't NEED a macro. You just want one. I, like many others here, are not so willing to offer up the solution to you, simply because of destructive the act of unattended macro-buffs are to us.



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SinnAsyr
Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:30 am
#17






-Cypher- wrote:

I swear, you people with your elitest attitude about AFK'ers annoy the hell out of me. You act like it has some huge dentrimental effect on something... it doesn't, no matter how hard you may want to believe it.


They pay $15 a month just like you. If they want their character to float in a lake somewhere 24/7 it's none of your concern.


Get some sun, people.


/ownage complete





Ownage? I think not.


It does affect us. People have no idea what the hell an entertainer is anymore. They think we are some (free) automative service ready to serve them whenever. And they steal ATK musician's customers.


It is our concern, because it destroys our proffesion. I'm sure if I went AFK in the Geo Caves with a loot macro, I'm sure you would whine, and complain, and **edit**.


I have windowsI can open thanks, and I am not on the computer 24/7


Do some research before you flame.





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Reachwind
Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:14 am
#18






-Cypher- wrote:

I swear, you people with your elitest attitude about AFK'ers annoy the hell out of me. You act like it has some huge dentrimental effect on something... it doesn't, no matter how hard you may want to believe it.


They pay $15 a month just like you. If they want their character to float in a lake somewhere 24/7 it's none of your concern.


Get some sun, people.


/ownage complete







This is a game with a very simple economy. You learn a skill. You use your skill to make credits for items that help you pursue your skill. You use the items and your skill to provide the best service possible for the maximum profit and gratification you can get.


The AFK player owned robot steals the ability to earn credits from entertainers taking away the ability to get items. Taking away the ability make maximum profit and gratification from the profession. In other words - They inadvertantly break the game for us all because they felt that paying $15 amonth for a character to do what we want to do is more important than spending an extra few minutes each day contacting and making friends with master level entertainers.


Arratarr
Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:28 am
#19

Its too bad people contribute to this negative attitude towards entertainers. the combat types seem to have the worst attitude about entertainers, yet, they need their services the most. If entertainers were required to be ATK for all their work, you might see them being a little bit nicer.
-Cypher-
Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:40 pm
#20

I swear, you people with your elitest attitude about AFK'ers annoy the hell out of me. You act like it has some huge dentrimental effect on something... it doesn't, no matter how hard you may want to believe it.


They pay $15 a month just like you. If they want their character to float in a lake somewhere 24/7 it's none of your concern.


Get some sun, people.


/ownage complete



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LizzyBrawler
Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:06 am
#21

I just wanted to put in my 2 creds here. I currently have a buff bot and it basically for me only. With the macros going away SWG is going to lose that extra money i spend every month on my ent account. I dont see a problem with afk maro users if they are grinding a skill. I dont ever want tips from players and most dont give them anyway. All i really want is to be able to go afk while i play music so i can get my skills up and log my ent in and buff my main. I dont really understand why people are so mad at afkers except when they are the ones that have the spam messages like adding into groups or healing them. I for one dont do this. I think that have afkers in the group means that the group will always be that much more full and therefore getting that much more xp. But hey thats just my 2 creds worth. I am sorry that some people have a problem with this, but its something that should not be taken out of the game. Thanks for reading the rant.



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XeroAnarian
Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:37 am
#22






LizzyBrawler wrote:

I just wanted to put in my 2 creds here. I currently have a buff bot and it basically for me only. With the macros going away SWG is going to lose that extra money i spend every month on my ent account. I dont see a problem with afk maro users if they are grinding a skill. I dont ever want tips from players and most dont give them anyway. All i really want is to be able to go afk while i play music so i can get my skills up and log my ent in and buff my main. I dont really understand why people are so mad at afkers except when they are the ones that have the spam messages like adding into groups or healing them. I for one dont do this. I think that have afkers in the group means that the group will always be that much more full and therefore getting that much more xp. But hey thats just my 2 creds worth. I am sorry that some people have a problem with this, but its something that should not be taken out of the game. Thanks for reading the rant.







The thing is, this game isn't all about combat. You may want your buffs, but you can just as easily make friends with an entertainer, and get those free buffs you want.


The reason we hate buff-bots is because they destroy our economy. You don't have to tip your buff-bot, do you? You certainly don't have to tip a live entertainer, but it sure does help them out a lot when you do.


Basically, using a buff-bot takes away from the entertainers main source of income. If there were a bot running around taking all of your missions so you couldn't get money, wouldn't you be upset?




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LizzyBrawler
Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:59 am
#23

I still dont really understand your gripe about the afk ents. My basic gripe is i usually play early in the day and i can never find an ent on that can buff both dancer/music, so i have decided that i was going to make one. I do have some ent friends that will buff for tips, so thats fine as long as i can get on when they are on, but that is where most people that make the buff bots get there problems. I would be more then happy to give any tips i recieve from customers to the rest of my group, like i said i dont need tips and cash, just the xp. I understand that people get testy becuase they decide to spend thier time at the keyboard manually doing flourishes, and thats fine thats their business. What i dont agree with is that they take that out on others that are just trying to make a bot to help themselves out. I really dont think that for everyone that opens a buff bot account the ents are going to lose that much money. Like i said i really dont understand the big deal about this topic.



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SinnAsyr
Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:20 am
#24






LizzyBrawler wrote:

I still dont really understand your gripe about the afk ents. My basic gripe is i usually play early in the day and i can never find an ent on that can buff both dancer/music, so i have decided that i was going to make one. I do have some ent friends that will buff for tips, so thats fine as long as i can get on when they are on, but that is where most people that make the buff bots get there problems. I would be more then happy to give any tips i recieve from customers to the rest of my group, like i said i dont need tips and cash, just the xp. I understand that people get testy becuase they decide to spend thier time at the keyboard manually doing flourishes, and thats fine thats their business. What i dont agree with is that they take that out on others that are just trying to make a bot to help themselves out. I really dont think that for everyone that opens a buff bot account the ents are going to lose that much money. Like i said i really dont understand the big deal about this topic.






You SHOULD be there, leveling. It can be fun. But if you dont enjoy it, and go AFK, you shouldn't be an entertainer. You should spend money actually PLAYING.



-Rynn Lightcloud-

Smuggler

-Accain-

Entertainer-Ahazi
Reachwind
Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:21 am
#25






LizzyBrawler wrote:

I still dont really understand your gripe about the afk ents. My basic gripe is i usually play early in the day and i can never find an ent on that can buff both dancer/music, so i have decided that i was going to make one. I do have some ent friends that will buff for tips, so thats fine as long as i can get on when they are on, but that is where most people that make the buff bots get there problems. I would be more then happy to give any tips i recieve from customers to the rest of my group, like i said i dont need tips and cash, just the xp. I understand that people get testy becuase they decide to spend thier time at the keyboard manually doing flourishes, and thats fine thats their business. What i dont agree with is that they take that out on others that are just trying to make a bot to help themselves out. I really dont think that for everyone that opens a buff bot account the ents are going to lose that much money. Like i said i really dont understand the big deal about this topic.







That's the oldexcuse, but stillnot true. Here are some solid reasons your buff-bot are bad for the game;



  • Because you made a character to save yourself the expense of an entertainer you are able to increase your income which means that you can pay more for player made items and dropped loot items/resources which in turn helps add to game economy inflation.

  • Because you and many like you have created characters to save the expense and time of searching out entertainers many who would normally have the skill are picking up extra combat abilities instead of spending skill points on this type of profession leading to a highly unbalanced combat system for PvE and PvP alike.

  • People who DO enjoy this type of game play and would like to play these characters have slowly been squeezed out of the economy. Only a very few long time established role players make the majority of the money from the profession from the few like minded players that support them.

  • Entertainers unable to keep up monitarily can not afford to buy the items they need to be the best at their chosen profession while people who don't even like playing as an entertainer are able to equip their NPC entertainers with a ful set of +25 skill enhancing items thus creating an even wider gap between the abilities of bot vs live entertainer.

  • The reason you can't find an entertainer at x:xx time is that entertainer is not a viable profession thanks to people like you. The game economy is very simple.... If you create value for some type of profession people will want it. If you devalue a profession (which is what you do when you setup a bot) people leave it.
Drygo
Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:36 am
#26






LizzyBrawler wrote:

I still dont really understand your gripe about the afk ents. My basic gripe is i usually play early in the day and i can never find an ent on that can buff both dancer/music, so i have decided that i was going to make one. I do have some ent friends that will buff for tips, so thats fine as long as i can get on when they are on, but that is where most people that make the buff bots get there problems. I would be more then happy to give any tips i recieve from customers to the rest of my group, like i said i dont need tips and cash, just the xp. I understand that people get testy becuase they decide to spend thier time at the keyboard manually doing flourishes, and thats fine thats their business. What i dont agree with is that they take that out on others that are just trying to make a bot to help themselves out. I really dont think that for everyone that opens a buff bot account the ents are going to lose that much money. Like i said i really dont understand the big deal about this topic.






Well, this is it, plain and simple. You might not think it's true, but it is. If it were just a matter of *one* buffbot, things would be fine. But, the reality is that there are now hundreds of buffbots, and all of them together have taken away business from live players. I have been known to go into Cantinas for 3 to 4 hours at a time, and never once asked to give/sell anyone a buff. This is directly because of all the readily available buffbots. Before buffbots existed, I was able to make fairly good money doing buffs. Now? I make *nothing.* That is the reality, whether you believe it or not.



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