Musician Archive
Thread: A note to all those people who can't get buffs because you play during off-peak hours.
codezor wrote:
how is keeping afk macroing ruining the game for you? you cant tell me that you sat their when you were earning master musician and pushed the flourish button every time, you know how rediculous that is, you have to push that button probbaly close to a million times to earn master musiciant... you are one horrible human being...
I am a member of that "Horrible human being" club then. Never afk macroed, I never even did string any flourishes together in a macro and I somehow had fun. Wow, what a horrible, horrible person I am 
Durney Kova
Master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Image Designer / Novice Dancer
SmedleyLlama wrote:
I'd be a little more humble in your victory.
Because right now you're really setting yourself up for a wicked backlash if the devs change their mind on this one.
, jumping for joy and carrying on like it was the second coming. As a matter of fact, I am staying pretty reserved witha developed "wait and see" approach. Entertainers unfortunately are just the loudest defenders of this move by SOE/LA. And I still stand by them.
SmedleyLlama wrote:
I'd be a little more humble in your victory.
Because right now you're really setting yourself up for a wicked backlash if the devs change their mind on this one.
You say that as if it's a war. I never looked at it this way. I looked at it as a problem that needs to be solved. If someone wants to open a second account so he can buff himself and a few friends, that's one thing. And at this point, not one thing is stopping that other guy from logging on his second account, giving a doc buff and musician buff to his main. Even if looping of macros is ended, he can still log on his alt, give a quick buff, then log off. If he'd rather pay $15 of real life money per month instead of tipping a few in-game credits to a regular performer, more power to him.
However, the afk game was a huge problem for many professions. Combat professions were able to be leveled afk just by turning on a macro and leaving the character there to level, thus causing people who were at the keyboard, trying to play the game to lose out on possible xp. Sure they could go somewhere else, but then you're showing preference to someone who isn't even there over someone who is.Many caveswhose occupantsfrequently drop loot were being camped by people who weren't even at the keyboards but had looping combat/loot macros (Especially the ones on Talus). You couldn't even go into certain cities on some servers without being bombarded by spambots. Many of these were alts so the main character didn't have to get any advertising skills. So devs tried one solution for this last one, with the ability to block chat from people who are marked as afk. The problem here is that anyone can totally bypass being shown as afk. The other solution was to add these people to ignore. This didn't work at all because as my list grew to well over 300 names, I noticed the same shops being advertised again and again. My conclusion was that the alt accounts were being re-rolled regularly to bypass being on everyone's ignore lists. This was confirmed when I tried to remove some of the names from the list and got "____ is not a valid name". People are finding it hard to get someone to heal them because the few people who are in med centers are tumblebots and the healbots that are working for the xp.
And finally we come to afk buffbots. With the limit of public areas where someone can go to give mind buffs, it's not just a matter of going to adifferent cantina. Sure, one of the arguments has been "If you don't like it, just go somewhere else.", but if that is such a valid argument, then why don't the buffbots simply go someplace else? Think about it. It's not that easy. People play the roles of entertainers for a reason, to interact with other people. The entertainer professions were created for a reason, for people to interact with other people. If this was wrong, then we'd all be going to an NPC for heals and buffs to our minds. But we weren't meant to go to NPCs, we were meant to go to other players.
Message Edited by StikerRunningfly on 08-03-2004 07:17 PM
SmedleyLlama wrote:
Because right now you're really setting yourself up for a wicked backlash if the devs change their mind on this one.
Honestly, we're used to it. We've been disappointed by the designers and developers of this game many times before. As have all professions.
Maybe they'll change their minds, maybe they'll implement a more limited solution, I don't know. Contrary to what some seem to believe, I and most other entertainers do not want other professions to suffer because of the removal of recursive macros. But many of us happen to be of the opinion that professions are already suffering because of the presence of recursive macros. Not just entertainers, but others as well.
Really, this is not a war. It's not combatants vs. entertainers vs. crafters. If anything it's more like all of us vs. the suits at SOE. 
so codezor i just wanted to make sure your feeling ok and not over stressed from writing that afk macro and pushing a button once per day... that IS TONS of work as you say... so I just thought I'd check in to make sure you don't need a towelet or lemonaid as you recover from all that work...
codezor wrote:
damn get over yourselves, and work at it like i did and hundreds of others have.
I think I will link anyone who is arguing to keep buff bots to this thread and say "See? This is your compatriot! Be proud!" 
I love the part where he said: Im not trying to ruin your game, don't try to ruin mine! Um,. For the last eight months three entire professions have been screaming "AFK play is ruining our game!" He created an afk buff bot. How is he not trying to ruin our game?
W-E-I-R-D-O Weirdo!
Not to mention his arguments are completely transparent. Buffing is not being removed from the game (unfortunately in my opinion but that is another subject). He can still buff himself with his doctor/entertainer. The only thing he can't do is sit there and rake in millions of credits while afk.
/rollseyes Oh yes, and to top it all off we are horrible people because all we do is mindlessly press a flourish button? Yea. Like combat is anything else but mindlessly pushing the attack button until your little virtual enemy drops dead dead and you move to the next one lol. That has a point alright. Lucklily I like doing both these things - or I wouldn't bother playing a video game!
Anyway, I only replied to this thread so I cold link to is later.
Continue!
codezor wrote:
how am i being selfish? you all are the ones being selfish, these bots arent hurting you, and you are ruining the game for hundreds of people, just becuase most of them dont come here and post like little cry babies doesnt mean your not, 90% of the cry babies on the server come here and post but the cry babies only 3% of the servers. so it might look like everyones on your side on the forums, but everyone really hates you on the servers, its just that you only talk to the 3% of cray babies
I have 2 accounts, My main account is Master Doctor/Musician.
I use that account to buff my alt for combat, I also use that account in my player city to help the citizens by buffing those citizens with music buffs while we solo group, what I do does not affect the people, since in reality I would buff the cities people anyways.
I support these changes becuase what is stupid is buff bots in public cantina's, where I decide to go to for socializing, while I am there theres afk bots grouping people for buffs, while I sit in the cantina with a master musician tag up, and yet no one asks for a buff. Now consider this, those who do not have second accounts and play as a "Live" master musician going up against buff bots, how do they enjoy the game? The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, and since this change does not prevent people from buffing, but rather adds to the "Live" musician thus enhancing there game play.
You are being selfish and childish, calling people nazi's and what not. You will still be able to buff your alt, but you wont be able to bot your self thus stealing from live players.
But to let you fully understand how childish you are I think every entertainer will agree, that lets keep the buff bots, under 1 condition, that SOE allows us to afk macro and loot steal, See while your out loot hunting, we have a bot follow you so when you kill (Permissions off for our bots) we out loot you, yeah I bet you would be all up in arms about afk loot bots, its the same thing entertainers face, a afk person stealing there bread and butter in a public cantina. (Key word, PUBLIC as in npc city)