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Thread: Got a question... and a challenge.

Rowlyyk
Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:19 pm
#14

As long as people have to /listen to us in order to hear us, I don't see it happening.
Your average player couldn't care less for entertainers if it weren't for the buffs, which is sad enough. But I can't imagine lots of people showing up on such an event in order to listen, as most players are only interested in getting buffed up to the max, join a solo-group (with reduced pay = reduced tips) and go hunting for as long as buffs last. And with reduced solo-payouts (which I actually find a good idea as such...) players are in such a hurry to get the most creds for their buffs that they care even less about socializing...



"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, and even now there are hundereds of them fighting on each side of the civil war." - Ben Kenobi ANH
Minerunner
Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:27 pm
#15

Well PM me if any of you do want to set a time to take me up on it.

I say the time for this type of content is whenever you want.

I say the trouble is part of the fun.

I'm willing to take the time to help.



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Kylearean
Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:48 pm
#16


Hello,


I'm not sure if this is the type of performing you mean, but Intrepid just recently had it's 5th Intrepid Jam Bonanza (IJB), sort of a "Battle of the Bands" contest. The songs and routines were definitely creative, and usually have been for the 4 previous IJBs too!


Max Rebo's band was even out in front of the guild hall used for the event this time, which was a nice surprise!






Seri Shadowstar
Master Entertainer, Musician, & Dancer
Theed Cantina, Naboo
Intrepid
LyteFoot
Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:37 pm
#17

I'm going to answer you here and not on the Corbantis Entertainers Rock thread to keep it together.

I'm not interested in your challenge. The fact is that it is upsetting. As people have shown there are players who create bands, the fact you are unaware of this speaks to your interest more than their efforts. For another correspondent, who clearly isn't in touch with the entertainer profession, to throw out a challenge to create something that people have been doing since go-live just shows how much the non-ent professions really notice us.

The fact is that the mechanics to make an interesting song from our flourishes and instruments is fairly straight forward and you can do a lot. You can also perform with regular band or in a totally impromptu pickup band because generally one individual drives the entire band through a /bandflo command. On corbantis alone I have a friend with over 90 songs in alias files, friends that always ATK perform in cantinas and outside them, and still do buffs. Performing and buffing are not mutually exclusive activities. Just last night a group of us pulled together a band and played several higher level tunes including western while 8 dancers did coordinated dancing. When someone wanted a buff an individual would stop accepting the bandflo commands and provide the buff with little interuption to the improptu show. We gave the cantina crowd a great show and got plenty of complements and a few tips.

The problem is that when you take this outside you run into the players who never go into cantinas and always use buffbots. Lovely people like the fencer/TK template stacker that parked his AV on my band and proceeded to insult us and cuss at us for no reason except he thought it was funny.

I'm not out to beat buff bots, I can't because I play limited hours instead of dedicating a computer to create an NPC. The fact is that I shouldn't have to compete, they shouldn't exist. I'm also here to play a game, I shouldn't have to make it a job nor should I have to constantly create my own content because I'm paying for content to be delivered.

So thanks for the challenge but you are too late. People have been doing exactly what you say will "beat the bots" since the game started and it isn't making a difference. When I perform in a starport the vast majority of people don't even seem to notice the group of entertainers off to the side. Here is a group with notes floating up, dancers moving about, and ent droids creating special effects and hardly anyone glances. As long as that state exists, thanks to the dismal AFK condition of cantinas and buffbots, we aren't going to fix it. Only SOE can and should fix it the rest of us are paying for a content filled, fun game to play.



Elwyn LyteFoot - Corbantis server
Rowlyyk
Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:54 am
#18



When I perform in a starport the vast majority of people don't even seem to notice the group of entertainers off to the side. Here is a group with notes floating up, dancers moving about, and ent droids creating special effects and hardly anyone glances. As long as that state exists, thanks to the dismal AFK condition of cantinas and buffbots, we aren't going to fix it. Only SOE can and should fix it the rest of us are paying for a content filled, fun game to play.




You speak right from my heart! People just don't CARE at all...



"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, and even now there are hundereds of them fighting on each side of the civil war." - Ben Kenobi ANH
Warryyr
Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:47 am
#19






Esharra wrote:

Oh Paks! Almost forgot..a good friend of mine is doing a Life Day play. If you'd like to be involved go to the Chilastra forum and find the thread there (it is close to the top right now). (sorry I'm not better at explaining right now but i'm a little doped up )


And Warryyr..you too!!





Cool, I'll go check it out!


Maisland
Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:10 am
#20




Rowlyyk wrote:




When I perform in a starport the vast majority of people don't even seem to notice the group of entertainers off to the side. Here is a group with notes floating up, dancers moving about, and ent droids creating special effects and hardly anyone glances. As long as that state exists, thanks to the dismal AFK condition of cantinas and buffbots, we aren't going to fix it. Only SOE can and should fix it the rest of us are paying for a content filled, fun game to play.



You speak right from my heart! People just don't CARE at all...



I was told by a doctor (who was buffing at the starport) that I should go back to the cantina "where I belong" and that if I wanted to make credits that I should "get a real proffesion."



I survived the CU


I can not survive the NGE


Minerunner
Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:21 am
#21

Performing at a starport is like performing at a mall.

Any musician in real life knows that hell.



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"Cast aside your preconceptions and you will be delivered from this sin of assumption."
Xyrdre
Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:22 pm
#22


Dunno. I've made a lot of money playing starport shows. Both solo, and with a band.


Most of my experiences playing at starports have been very good. Certainly with shuttle waits (pre-Travel option in JTL), a lot of people have been very supportive of musicians playing music there just to help pass the time. And many have tipped really well... not for healing, not for buffing, but just for being there trying to make some downtime fun for others.






Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...
Minerunner
Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:34 pm
#23

Actually personally I've always enjoyed musicians and Dancers at shuttles, but really it's all quick service entertainment... kinda the Carls Jr. of Entertainment (Malls hold true to this as well.) Not saying it's bad it's just... well not something I'd subject any band I led to... unless promoting a larger show perhaps.



Roogah Heeveah : Starsider, Alien Master of the Force : Roleplayer
Leoaf Be'lya : Bothan Ace Alliance Pilot : Eclipse
Minerunner : Test Center


"Cast aside your preconceptions and you will be delivered from this sin of assumption."
Xyrdre
Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:57 pm
#24



Well, if you think that entertainers entertaining, and being tipped for the efforts of making other players' time in game more fun, equates to the 'Carl's Jr.' of entertainment... umm... okay.


I think it's something free of being a slave to the game mechanics of healing of buffing, and if it's appreciated, it's the truespirit of what the entertainer professions are all about. Whether that takes place in the Grand Theater of Vreni Island, the Wayfar cantina, out on the streetsor in a starport. Fun is fun, and location or scale doesn't cheapen that.






Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...
Minerunner
Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:09 pm
#25

I'm a huge fan of a Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger. I like it more than nearly every single other more "ritzy" resturant there is. So it's anything but cheepened.

It's just that entertaining in starports... like fast food joints... are less respected as a viable supplier of their particular product. doesn't mean the product is any less good.

But it does mean you are going to get horror stories like told before about people dropping AV's on their band and harassing them.

Or in the case of malls, you'll get kids blowing those godawefull horns and crying, while people stop for a minute and move on obviously less interested in the entertainment than in spending the allmighty dollar.



Roogah Heeveah : Starsider, Alien Master of the Force : Roleplayer
Leoaf Be'lya : Bothan Ace Alliance Pilot : Eclipse
Minerunner : Test Center


"Cast aside your preconceptions and you will be delivered from this sin of assumption."
kirah_ashlin
Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:33 pm
#26


We have Cantina Crawls and Starport Jams every 3 weeks or so on Bria. We separate into groups depending on how many entertainers are there and what their skill level is. One person leads in each group and while the events are rather casual in nature, few people walk away (entertainer or patron) unimpressed.


I enjoy doing group events and gigs. But, that is not my main avenue offun in the game. I didn't sign up for SWG to be tied down to one form of play. I didn't sign up to be some other player's idea of what my chosen game profession should be, either. I amneither the "Carl's Jr", the "Whopper Jr" nor the "Happy Meal" of SWG entertaining just because I don't tie myself down to a band or a troupe and attend practices, rehearsals or meetings. If I wanted to be that involved in the entertainment realm, I'd do it in real life - not a game.
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