Musician Archive
Thread: Image Design TENTS get new music. 3 songs, no less! How do you like that...
- Master Image Designers will have their timers reduced by 50% for cosmetic and physical changes outside the tent.
- Master Image Designers will have their timers removed entirely for cosmetic and physical changes insde the tent.
- Stat migration xp will be raised from 600xp to 2000xp.
- Image Designer tentshave had new special music composed for them. Thiswas delivered to me last Friday and should be in place sometime this week. There are three separate tracks, each specialized to fit the mood of the decor of each of the three tent themes.
How do you like that?!? NewJedi, do something about this! This is totally unfair. The freakin' Image Designers get new music? What kind of sick joke is this?!? And it's for their tents? Here's an idea - why doesn't their "social" profession invite us into tents to play some of our new songs for them? Maybe Musicians would "broadcast" in the tent and all patrons inside could hear us. But nooooo.......why pay us any attention.
I find this an outrage.
What a slap in the face.
I'm out.
Warryyr
Warryyr wrote:
SWG-Runesabre wrote:
Hello,
Here's an idea - why doesn't their "social" profession invite us into tents to play some of our new songs (if WE had gotten them, not their tents)for them? Maybe Musicians would "broadcast" in the tent and all patrons inside could hear us. But nooooo.......why pay us any attention.
I find this an outrage.
What a slap in the face.
I'm out.
Warryyr
You do realize there's a great difference between the music players play and background music right? To get background music the developers contact a composer who writes the piece, then contract out a band to play the piece and record it. The developers then take that piece and make it play whenever you enter an ID tent. Minimal time on the devs part. To make player music you have to get the piece composed for however many different instruments. The song has to then be sampled for each individual piece, then each piece has to have an associated flourish animation added, timings possibly require tweaking, then all this new code has to be added to the existing code and made sure it works right. This requires a LOT more developer work, and I do believe right now all available code monkies are working on the jedi revamp.
Do I wish we got a new song or dance or something? Sure
Am I gonna get mad because they added some new background music? Hell no, its apples and oranges here.
Just_Bri wrote:
I just wanted to make perfectly clear that this is yet another thing the IDs were not even informed about untill after it was done. Please do not get angry at the IDs for this, it is not our doing!
/agree
This is NOT the ID's fault. They didn't ask for this, don't get mad at ID's.
This is the Devs' problem, and it's high time we stick it to 'em for decisions like this.
I was just impressed a Dev even posted in the ID forum - do we (musicians) even have a Dev? I don't think i've EVER seen a post by one in here. That makes a huge statement against the Devs right there.
Repeating, the ID's did NOT ask for the Tents to get music - that was the Devs' hairbrained scheme. Focus any frustration at the Devs, not Image Designers.
Yes there will be studio and set up time to consider - but all in all there is not a single reason this could not be done in a single day once the music is written and the musicians lined up.
Heck if they gave us a conversion tool for wav or mp3 files and had a contest for entertainres/musicians to make a new song with the 11 different sound types per instruemnts (10 flourish and rhythm line) with 5 intruments that would definetly help this along - but no they can't do that since they are afraid of corpyrighted music entertiner the game - though rightfully so.
You guys over complicate this process.
Just_Bri wrote:
Warryyr wrote:
The freakin' Image Designers get new music?
I think most Image Designers would appreciate it if this got edited.
Yeah, whoops - big mt there - i meant to say the freakin' Image Designers' tents get new music. So sorry for the confusion.
I must admit, I was very frustrated when I started this post. I don't mean to be negative, just frustrated with Musician at this point.
Thanks for bringing the mt to my attention, Bri 
brentgueth wrote:
you guys make it sound liek composing is soo dificult it's not. We have a total of 5 unique instruments sounds with 4 seconds(?) intervals a total of 10 flourishes per instrument. I could defiently crank that out in an afternoon with a music compostion program. I also don't write music for a living - but I have studied music theory. from a recording perspective - and I am familar with music being able to play many instruments IRL - it would take real musicians less then hour pre editing and synthesizing in the game to record the music.
Yes there will be studio and set up time to consider - but all in all there is not a single reason this could not be done in a single day once the music is written and the musicians lined up.
Heck if they gave us a conversion tool for wav or mp3 files and had a contest for entertainres/musicians to make a new song with the 11 different sound types per instruemnts (10 flourish and rhythm line) with 5 intruments that would definetly help this along - but no they can't do that since they are afraid of corpyrighted music entertiner the game - though rightfully so.
You guys over complicate this process.
I don't mind that ID's get some background music. I think the background music in this game is terrific, one of the best things about it, and I'm happy to see it get better. JTL will undoubtedly have some new background music: again, I think that's a good thing.
That said, it does anger me that it's been a year and we still don't have any new songs.New songs has always been my number 1 priority, and it's been our #1 issue in each and every poll I've ever done. The devs have heard me ask for them dozens and dozens of times. It was our weekly question two questions ago. They know we want new songs. I don't know how much more clearly I can tell them. They seem to understand perfectly clearly that it is painful to listen to the same 10 songs -- more painful, I think, than watching the same 10 dances.
Now, I happen to think it takes far more than an afternoon to throw together a song. I do digital-audio recording in my home studio, and I have some songs I've been working on for two years. And it's true that synchronizing flourishes and whatnot takes work. Plus we may get new instruments; don't know for sure. But I'm just me, I'm not SOE, with its resources and budget. And even I can put something half-decent together in a couple of months.
As I said yesterday, I just posted a rant in the Correspondent Forum about the delay in our new songs. I can rant again if you like. It makes me feel a little better. But it doesn't seem to make an iota of difference.
Eaca wrote:
You do realize there's a great difference between the music players play and background music right? To get background music the developers contact a composer who writes the piece, then contract out a band to play the piece and record it. The developers then take that piece and make it play whenever you enter an ID tent. Minimal time on the devs part. To make player music you have to get the piece composed for however many different instruments. The song has to then be sampled for each individual piece, then each piece has to have an associated flourish animation added, timings possibly require tweaking, then all this new code has to be added to the existing code and made sure it works right. This requires a LOT more developer work, and I do believe right now all available code monkies are working on the jedi revamp.
Do I wish we got a new song or dance or something? Sure
Am I gonna get mad because they added some new background music? Hell no, its apples and oranges here.
I agree, it would have been more complicated to put in more player music. However, I hardly think it's as complicated as you make out. Splitting a musician group into recording booths is hardly difficult, to get each instrument's sound.
"To make player music you have to get the piece composed for however many different instruments." - A musical composition is composed for multiple instruments playing at one time, obviously. It's not like they'd need to compose it in any different way than an all out orchestral piece. Tell a composer he has 8 or 10 instruments to work with, and they'll happily work out some fine tunes. Stick the musicians in seperate booths and let them jam.
The flourishes are hardly anything new to add, they're all the same animations anyways. Correct me if I'm wrong, but each song does not have different flourish animations. Timing tweaks, eh, might take a little while to work out. Doubtful it'd be that hard. The sound editor makes the sounds loop and fit the animations.
If they have time to compose 3 new musical pieces, they could have just as easily composed the pieces to be played by Musicians. It lies mostly in the recording process.
You might be right, it might have been more of a challenge to give Musicians the new songs, rather than just stick em in a tent. But yeesh, if we continue this attitude, every profession will get attention until we're completely passed by.
Are we seriously content to wait 6+ months for 1 new song from the Hutt casino? It's not THAT complicated to add new Musician songs. If we're happy to let the Devs get away with just doing what's easiest, then let's just have the game filled with stick figures running around throwing large square blocks at each other.
Warryyr wrote:
The freakin' Image Designers get new music?