Musician Archive

Tonight i will achieve Master Musician. The second one i know of on the Valcyn server. But on my night of glory i ran into something i havent seen yet through all of my entertainment experiences. When i returned from a quick bathroom break, i noticed that my character, along with all of the others in my group had stopped playing. Oh well, i thought, they must be switching songs. So i just started up starwars2 to get the tunes flowing again. I was immediately cut off with a /stopband command that someone in the group issued. I started again, and was promptly stopped again. So i reviewed the goings on of the past five minutes to find things like "STRIKE!", "WE WILL NOT PLAY UNLESS WE ARE PAID", and other such things in the chat window. Annoyed, i disbanded and offered everyone in the room begging for some assistance with mind wounds and battle fatigue a free show. The "fight" between me and my former group raged on, but in the end i recieved over 5k in tips for my efforts and a lot of applause.

I am a musician because i really enjoy it, not for the money i make doing it. And i manage to do just fine without begging for them. I must. I have only been trained by the other higher musican on my server once, and paid for everything else myself from the NPC trainers.

I just hope that this immature behavior is rare, because i think it really gives entertainers an image of "beggar", which i would rather not be stereotyped as.

Musto Been - Valcyn

I'm annoyed by the lack of class my fellow musicians exhibit sometimes.... Asking for tips reminds me of a vagrant playing a beat up guitar on the side of the road with his case open and people throwing nickels in it. The thing is, I have met a couple of cool people who do ask for tips while I'm in a band with them, and I don't have the heart to tell them it annoys me...

I see it all the time, but haven't really noticed. Are most of the people that ask for tips, musicians and dancers lower than the master entertainer level? I'm sure there are some out there that are higher, but the only entertainers that I see that ask for tips are the knuckleheads that have the perception that they can come into a cantina and make some fast credits by playing music AND lowering their own BF.

I don't know. Thats probably the dumbestway to ask for tips thatI've ever heard (and all are pretty dumb). Lucky for you, you are a master. Find a better cantina with other musicians that actually want to playor just play your own music now.....

It all depends HOW you ask for tips. Personally, I don't ask. I run destroy missions for money because I want to work combat skills. But if someone wants to ask in a good way once or twice a night, I don't see a problem. If I HAD to ask for money, I'd just make up lyrics to the song about how broke I was.

My woman took my credits\ They've all been spent\ Hocked my Kloo Horn\ Just to pay the rent

etc.

I've heard of people threatening strikes before, but never actually seen it. That's really sad that they'd stoop to extortion to try and get few measly credits. It's not like money is hard to get in this game.

I think the only thing I would have done differently is to avoid the argument by saying "They kicked me out of the musicians union years ago fornot payingmy dues. Good luck with your strike. I'll be playing over at the hotel." Then I would have moved to the hoteland used/ignore for anyone who sent me threatening tells.

I really like Kronx's song (I may steal that from you Kronx, just for fun), but most players don't have that much imagination. They think the world owes them a living and they deserve money just for their presence in the cantina.

Slickriptide
Bria/Talus/Dearic

I would've done the same thing and never grouped with those people again... and I know for a fact all of our regular band members would've also. I make plenty of money in tips, but I make a lot of money working on my brawler skills as well. No one is forcing anyone to work solely on music, in fact, it is discouraged, but people do it and then complain about the choice they've made. /shrug

Wow...thats some kind of nerve they have. I just don't get it. I'm in the same boat as you mstrd, I do it for the fun and to help people out, not for profits. I think Leia said it best...but I'm not gonna quote that.

As far as asking for tips...I'm a bit ambivalent on that issue. I don't do it personally, but if someone else does it in a nice way, then I really don't mind it.

Sometimes people try to take advantage or just don't/won't pay but I really doubt saying "tip plz" is gonna increase their tips.

I'm pretty much disgusted with tip beggars in SWG at this point. As a musician/entertainer, I have never asked for tips, and I get plenty. People don't seem to get the simple premise that the best way to get tips is to NEVER ASK FOR THEM. Just be personable and talk to folks or greet them as they arrive.

The thing that really annoyed me the other night, however, was an idiot in the Theed cantina who was constantly bleeting for tips "so that musicians can afford to buy new instruments, clothing yada yada yada". But to make it worse, he had named a mouse droid "PleaseTipWhatshisname" and had it patrolling endlessly around the cantina. I left at that point and didn't come back until much later. As I entered, I heard that he was still there, still bleeting. So I refused to join in, told a friend of mine why and started playing in the entryway. Within 5 minutes, I had four listeners and had made 500+ in tips without really meaning to: I was playign to ease my battle fatigue. *grin*


Allura WindSinger, Tip-Beggar Boycotter of Naboo, Intrepid

Yesterday someone in my group (they happened to have just started entertaining) was begging for tip, calling people names for not tipping and such, and I just slapped them. They shut up pretty fast.

wow, I've never seen anything like that thank god!
I don't like when people in my group beg for tips. It makes me look bad by association. If it goes on too long I ask them to stop. I'm a musician IRL and I don't see the street musicians or bar bands striking. Know why? cause there's generally another bar band ready to take your place. And there will be in SWG too, when I finally get Master I will be happy to advertise my services, especially when the low-level SW1-playing, 3rd-profession-having novice entertainers aren't playing or won't play.

That's pretty sad, heh..

i think i know of a strike that happened once..but it had nothing to do with tips. someone called one of the dancers a derogatory name. so we refuesed to play until said person left.

I never ask or hint or beg for tips. I thank the people for listening to me or the band and usually the tips flow like water after that. Being courteous to the audience pays off.