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Thread: Dancers New Flourishes
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lobber
Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:32 pm
#1
Ok, having read through the dancer forum and the posts on this, I concur that they still have the base dance problems. I can't tell you whether they can use the 8 flourishes or not as I am not a dancer. However, the fact that they have had several flourishes replaced in several of the dances has made a huge difference to their dances. I watched a dancer in Coronet tonight trying all the different dances and flourishes and I was amazed at the difference. Its almost like watching them get several new dances. Fine, they are new flourishes to old dances, but they make the old dances look like new ones!
So apologies for thinking they were fixes, but I still think this is a fantastic bit of loving for a community that has pretty much received nothing till the new song/dance recently. It might not be what the dancing community asked for or wanted, but at least it is more positive thing than we have been getting recently. What next? Individual instrument sounds? We can hope (and I ahve been for over a year now!)
Message Edited by lobber on 10-21-2004 10:33 PM
Aleyo
Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:19 pm
#2
psikobunny wrote:According to the Master Dancer I talked to, this isnt any sort of "fix" its a nice "change" but not a fix.All the dances with less than 8 flos still have less than 8.All the dances with broken base steps are still broken (from the watcher's perspective)The new stuff simply is replacing flourishes in dances that were working before.yes, its a nice piece of loving, but lets call it what it is, right?
What I think makes the flourishes qualify as a 'fix' is that the new flourishes are motion captured, and in many cases replace hand-animated flourishes. There's a big difference in how these look. I also know, for example, that the last flourish to Basic, which used to be a repeat flourish of flourish 7 (or very very close to an exact repeat), is now a distinct flourish. I think that qualifies as a fix.
Cudayn
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:50 pm
#3
Its going to take me some time before I get my novice dancing skills back, so hopefully, by that time the flourishes will have been fixed. Its great that they changed up some stuff, but its terrible that they changed stuff without fixing what needed to be fixed in the first place.
Durney
Master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Image Designer
Electro
Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:34 pm
#4
On the other hand... the jury is very from from unanymous in LIKING the new flourishes. Yes, poplock is better. Lyrical too (except no one ever dances it cause the base dance is broken.) But, egads, what they did to rhythmic, rhythmic2and footloose... it makes me want to cry. And, you know, they COULD have done a lot better than this.... I mean, duh... why not leave rhythmic as it was, and change the flourishes in rhythmic2? same deal with footloose and footloose2. or lyrical and lyrical2. THAT would be new content. This is just CHANGED content.
lobber
Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:20 am
#5
I have to admit, I love the new dancers flourishes to fix their broken dances. Poplock is cool. I haven't noticed any musician loving though in this patch though. Any notice anything?
Either way....YAY! At least one of the entertainer classes got some loving! Long overdue and much appreciated!!!
*Edited to amend Message title to reflect correct info*
Message Edited by lobber on 10-21-2004 10:40 PM
psikobunny
Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:37 am
#6
According to the Master Dancer I talked to, this isnt any sort of "fix" its a nice "change" but not a fix.
All the dances with less than 8 flos still have less than 8.
All the dances with broken base steps are still broken (from the watcher's perspective)
The new stuff simply is replacing flourishes in dances that were working before.
yes, its a nice piece of loving, but lets call it what it is, right?
NeillM
Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:45 am
#7
They have stopped us from being able to turn while performing... which makes using the emotes thet turn us (such as /grin) rather annoying.
Bim_Azul
Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:53 am
#8
NeillM wrote:
They have stopped us from being able to turn while performing... which makes using the emotes thet turn us (such as /grin) rather annoying.
There goes my breakdance routine.
Fragpuppie
Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:50 am
#9
NeillM wrote:
They have stopped us from being able to turn while performing... which makes using the emotes thet turn us (such as /grin) rather annoying.
I believe you can still turn by zooming in to 1st person view. You then turn to whomever you are lookign at.
Fragpuppie Uber
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Coronet, Corellia, Chilastra
Master Entertainer, Master Musician
Guild Leader - Performer United Professional Society (PUPS)
Founding Member - Frag's Puppies
Contact S'ita for bookings
President and CEO - Fragpuppie Enterprises and Uber Instruments
Coronet, Corellia, Chilastra
Springbok
Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:13 pm
#10
I actually like 6-8 on rythmic the best lol. Flo 8 especially. African tribal dancing is an artform, and SWG throwing some outlook in that direction (whether or not that was the intention is not the point) and hitting dancing on a cultural smorgasbord is a lot better imo than making it all only friendly to broadway, ballet, and topless bar mentalities.
I am all around happy with the fixes personally. It's something in the right direction.
There is no point in complaining more about something that was looked at. Getting some fixes and being happy with it is a lot better than just complaining some more about what wasn't fixed or fixed "right". If the dev's see's some improvements with their fixes and positive feedback they will be encouraged to look at it some more. But if you keep complaining they will ask "Whats the point, they'll never be happy."
Mind you Xyrdre I see that you did hit some positive feedback, and this post is not made indirect responceto your post, but a generalization of thewholly collectivemood I see a lot of Entertainers taking on these new fixes. Its akin to Jedi getting a bazillion fixes and new additions, but glazing over the positive, and just moaning and whining what was not added that a collective # wanted.
Xyrdre
Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:14 am
#11
Poplock's replaced flos 5-8 are a vast improvement, in just about everyone's opinion.
Lyrical now has flos 5-8 added... these are new. And, pretty nice.
It seems that most dancer's opinion is that the new Footloose flos, though smoother motion captured flos, are every bit as weird as the old rough ones. Well, some say even weirder now... but yes, smoother weird flos. Unattractive, in my opinion. Some love them.
Most dancers seem to think that the new replaced flos 6-8 in Rhythmic are worse than the old ones in many ways. Again, smoother, but just unattractive movements.
Basic flo 8 is pretty universally held to be more akin to an epileptic seizure that somehow does not throw the dancer to the ground.
None of the broken dances are any less broken than before.
The Numpad 1 and 3 keys problem with turning is a bug. It is a keymap conflict with some of the JTL space control mappings that should not be affecting ground mappings, but do. Whether or not anyone cares to fix this bug remains to be seen, though it is critical to performance dancers that it is reconciled.
Besides zooming in to first person for a snap-change in facing, one can also turn chase cam mode on, and rotate the whole world along with the character. Trouble is, there is little fine control over this method, and is only useful in simple facing changes. Skilled dancers have used the 1 and 3 keys with great precision to correct for drift, alter the appearance of flos (effectively adding performance tools), dance to new locations on the floor, etc., which is made more difficult (at best) or impossible (at worst) without the numpad controls that we've had all along, and that are only lost now due to a bug.
fett3041
Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:41 am
#12
Springbok wrote:
There is no point in complaining more about something that was looked at. Getting some fixes and being happy with it is a lot better than just complaining some more about what wasn't fixed or fixed "right". If the dev's see's some improvements with their fixes and positive feedback they will be encouraged to look at it some more. But if you keep complaining they will ask "Whats the point, they'll never be happy."
Mind you Xyrdre I see that you did hit some positive feedback, and this post is not made indirect responceto your post, but a generalization of thewholly collectivemood I see a lot of Entertainers taking on these new fixes. Its akin to Jedi getting a bazillion fixes and new additions, but glazing over the positive, and just moaning and whining what was not added that a collective # wanted.
I have to disagree. We've been shown in the past that positive feedback and suggestions carry no merit what-so-ever. We've also been shown that no changes are made unless there is great upheaval (remember when they tried to change the way crafting and crit fails worked?) and protests ingame and on the boards. They've shown us that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. They've shown us that they are willing to throw out George Lucas's vision and story to sell more accounts and cater to those who cry loudest.
They've shown us exactly what behaviour, though childish, gets rewarded. We're just trying to communicate in a manner they understand and encourage.
Drygo
Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:21 am
#13
In a way, the dance flo's are a fix. The reason for that is, even tho some of the flo's are a bit odd, the fact is now, every dance except the exotics have 8 unique flourishes. Before, many of the dance flo's were simply repeats of earlier numbered flo's or flo's from other dances entirely. So, simply having 8 unique flourishes for each dance (besides exotics) is a vast improvement.
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