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Cinderr

Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:44 pm

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=merchant&message.id=37798

Closed the thread, but he posted

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GarVa

Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:47 pm

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Trust me I have my eye on this too... I am a tailor/master merchant and ID on 2 of my characters

It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject:

Thanks for catching this.

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject:

Garva I understand where you are coming from, and people do tend to overreact, but try to look at it from out point of view.

Combat Revamp is pushed back, Last TWO patches are for Jedi, Classes are being nerfed and only new content is for Jedi, and THIS is what the Dev team is working on ....

It is quite obvious that this is not a patch meant to help the players of the game. As a non Jedi I guess I can live with the last two patches both being for the least played proffesion, but put this on top of the long awaited combat revamp going by the wayside, combat medic nerf and now vendor nerf, and its hard for us to understand what we have to look forward to.

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GarVa

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject:

TH should be makign a post today about it as well, just don't know when.

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Drterror

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject:

For the record I DONT Pay for 25 accounts. I just happen to have them from friends who have left the game. People missed the point of the post. Oh well.

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CharPrime

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject:

GarVa wrote:

Trust me I have my eye on this too... I am a tailor/master merchant and ID on 2 of my characters It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

i don't thing you need to wait until the sky is falling to know that no one likes the limit.

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HalasterTheBlack

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:57 pm Post subject:

Wow... Garva compared the devs to God...

That must be a hell of a paycheck SOE is sending your way.

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Darksfallen

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:59 pm Post subject:

CharPrime wrote:

i don't thing you need to wait until the sky is falling to know that no one likes the limit.

He means you are shouting "the sky is falling" while they are still working on a solution and that you assuming that they aren't listening or reading is not helping.

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IndySWG

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:

GarVa wrote:

...but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it,...

Actually... God created this sky over a year ago... now he's changing the size of our wings.

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject:

I tried to cut and paste that addy by the first poster here. It says the thread was deleted?

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Cinderr

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:

Not working for me either. Thread is still there tho, titled A Respectful and Constructive MASS EXODUS for Merchants and the Like.. or just look at last poster, til you see GarVa's name.

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Chek

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:

Solitiri wrote:

I tried to cut and paste that addy by the first poster here. It says the thread was deleted?

I got the same error, that the thread has been deleted. Anyone have a functioninglink to it?

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Rogue1970

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:

Darksfallen wrote:

CharPrime wrote:

i don't thing you need to wait until the sky is falling to know that no one likes the limit.

He means you are shouting "the sky is falling" while they are still working on a solution and that you assuming that they aren't listening or reading is not helping.

Not a single word from the Devs since their insane TC Update notes/crafter nerf idea,is also not helping....

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jcarlson34

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:

GarVa wrote:

It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

GarVa, I appriciate you stopping by to speak about this.

I think what we all want from the beginning is a little dialog.

We knew the developers were planning something of the sort a while back but these numbers are ridiculously low without a post from the devs as to why they have chosen these numbers or the reason whythey feel the need toimplement this.

What upsets most of us I think is the when the devs talk about wanting to create a good dialog between devs and players and bounce ideas back and forth to try to come up with compromises or better solutions. Then they turn around and put something like this on TC without much discussion or warning or explaination.

Also I believe that we will see these number be raised but still be in place at the end of the day (sadly). I surely hope this was not intentional to release lower numbers in order to let us "negotiate" up to numbers the devs wanted originally so at the end of the day they still get their nerf. True any limitwould have us jumping up and down but if this limit goes in at 1000 limit as opposed with 600, thenthe means by which the devs still get their nerf will surely be questioned.

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CaptainCloak

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:20 pm

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GarVa wrote:

Trust me I have my eye on this too... I am a tailor/master merchant and ID on 2 of my characters It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

Garva: This is not a sky is falling manner that everyone is taking - this is a realistic and collective acknowledgement that the developers are really undertaking a very bad idea with the acknowledgement and understanding that we have no explanation, justification, or even logical reasoning behind this adjustment - and requesting that the powers that be actually stop and take a second to realize just how much of a difference these changes are going to make in the minds of many players of this game and how many players might just up and leave.

Funny that you compare the Developers to God in this one.. there's something to be considered in the differences.

See... God will exist whether or not the Catholics believe in him - but odds are those Churches aren't going to exist for long if parishoners stop going and paying their monthly fees....

Thus the Developers should probably be willing to but a weeeee bit more faith in the concerns of their followers than God needs to.

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rexan

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:20 pm

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GarVa wrote:

TH should be makign a post today about it as well, just don't know when.

I hope so. No news was announced before this went to TC.

DocSavage apparently had no warning about this happening.

And we haven't heard a thing from the Devs in over 5 days regarding this (although this does spans the weekend).

I hope they make an announcment with some explanation soon.

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JutMan

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:23 pm

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GarVa - I am not even a Merchant but a lot of my friends are. I am afraid they are all going to leave and they scares the **edit** out of me. I think maybe a little schmoosing prior to this would have been good. Even a little "hey we are going to start small and bring it up a notch" would have been good. It is all about communication. Thanks GarVa for at least letting us know there is going to be a statement. People will calm down once they see some information.

I do not want to seem like a bandwagon jumper but this one I have a vested intrest as my wife is a Master Tailor / Merchant dabbler. She is already working on "compliance" out of fear of loosing her wares and I do not blame her for doing so. She spent 4 hours last night moving all her stuff around out of fear and I am sure a lot of people are doing the same.

For the recond 600 (non-master) total items is not a lot and I am scared of what the reprocussions if this is final what will happen. With some dual crafting masteries and master merchant you could make one of each item and be 1/2 + way to that cap without any selection to choose from. I understand the logic behind the decision but not to this degree.

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GenChaos

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:24 pm

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This is what the thread said...

http://www.freepgs.com/bigchiplan/nemsyn/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=174&sid=f82d89b52b4431a1ca62bceb3982a18b

Baelin_Radiant

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:24 pm

#7

GarVa wrote:

Trust me I have my eye on this too... I am a tailor/master merchant and ID on 2 of my characters It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

Not sure I'd use the "sky is falling" metaphor. I think people view what is currently on the test servers as dark clouds in the sky on the horizon. There's a storm coming and it is going to rain all over the merchants parade. Unless the players can produce a sufficient amount of clammer, then the thunder that is rolling in will drown them out.

I understand you're trying to play the "remain calm.. ..all is well" card, but if I were a merchant, I'd be screaming my bloody head off. This proposed change is going to hit them worse than any other type of "fix" I've seen come in the game. Even the MCH "fix" (a few months back) didn't impact as much as this will; and I was an MCH.

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GunheadD9

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:27 pm

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So is this Merchant Re-vamp and stock limiting the 'Big Suprise' you've been promising us tailors for months now?

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speardancer

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:41 pm

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GarVa wrote:
Trust me I have my eye on this too... I am a tailor/master merchant and ID on 2 of my characters It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

You know, if I see a contractor repairing my house, using obviously substandard materials, I don't need to let him finish before I kick him out and say there's a big problem. I stop him and let him know there's a problem right away.

I don't care what smoke and mirrors you throw our way, it should be obvious by now there's a problem. A problem, that if it isn't resolved soon, will cost YOU alot. In the form of canceled acounts.

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Kalbo

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:43 pm

#10

GarVa wrote:

Trust me I have my eye on this too... I am a tailor/master merchant and ID on 2 of my characters It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

GarVa, if "god" was creating the sky and it rapidly moved in a downward direction from its original position it sure would appear to be falling to those under it. But perhaps if "god" would have given some advanced notice ro warning that the sky was going to do this perhaps all the people looking up wouldnt be so frightened and maybe have even told "god" that they needed more headroom than the new sky position allowed, it may have even saved "god" alot of time trying to calm everyone down.

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Rogue1970

Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:39 pm

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Kalbo wrote:

GarVa wrote:

Trust me I have my eye on this too... I am a tailor/master merchant and ID on 2 of my characters It does interest me, but assuming the sky is falling while god is still creating it, would have been premature and doesn't help anything, same is true here.

GarVa, if "god" was creating the sky and it rapidly moved in a downward direction from its original position it sure would appear to be falling to those under it. But perhaps if "god" would have given some advanced notice ro warning that the sky was going to do this perhaps all the people looking up wouldnt be so frightened and maybe have even told "god" that they needed more headroom than the new sky position allowed, it may have even saved "god" alot of time trying to calm everyone down.

Sorry, but Gods macro was nerfed, so he didn't know....

He was too busy restocking vendors every 15 minutes.

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Elyssa

Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:49 pm

#12

Is God so powerful that he can envision a nerf that even He cannot avoid?

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Teuvan

Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:59 pm

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Is SOE so money hungry and blind that they will force thousands to quit over this?

My sig is of little use now due to the fact that I have quit.

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