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Thread: Why is spamming still allowed?

audioslaves
Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:14 am
#1

And no, I'm not being facetious. I truly would love to know the reasons that spamming spatial is still allowed. There is absolutely no reason for it. Instead of spamming spatial you can:


1. Spam auction

2. Set out a merchant bot

3. List your vendor in the galaxy wide search

4. Advertise in your trade forums

5. Put advertisements on the bazaar using a backpack or named item



Is there anything good about spamming? Honestly? Not at all. Sure you can ignore them but ever have one of the notorious spammers be your competition that sends you tells? Guess what - can't ignore them because it would be impolite. Also, should noobs really have to deal with this crap? It was so nice right after CU, even though our two most infamous spammers were still at it - at least it was only two.


There is absolutely no reason for this crap to be allowed. The only people who NEED to spam are those that have inferior products or jacked-up prices, pure and simple.


PS Feel free to spam me with flames if you want to defend your behavior



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Imaladris
Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:57 am
#2

I don't like spammers that spam every 10-30 seconds. I spammed long ago and there was a direct relationship of spamming and getting more people to my vendors. I've not needed to spam for over a year now because my vendors are well known.



But spamming earns the spammer a lot more $$. Kinda like phone solicitors, people really do buy stuff from them.



I won't flame ya. I disagree that spamming should be removed...its a necessary thing for those who are just starting out. I think it would be nice that a spam timer could be implemented. Meaning you can't spam using a macro on maybe a 1-2 minute timer?





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Smart_Darwin
Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:48 am
#3


I am sure they have compelling rationale for spamming. I too used it once and it was very effective. Certain people get really bothered by it others don't. I have found it ver useful at times and I am glad it was there' I have also been very annoyed by some of the wort spammers out there.


My annoyance has no place in the decision to prohibit something, neither does yours. We all have choices. We could choose to put them on our ignore list. We could choose to use any of the other chat channels at our disposal. Rather than force someone else change thier behavior, you will find it easier to change yours.


If you seiously want the behavior changed, try sending a polite email to that person's guild leader. depending on just how noxious the spamming is pressure from a meaningful peer group will work. Either way, we all take part in a community and for it to function smoothly we all have to be less sensitive about stuff.





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MachXXV
Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:51 am
#4


I usually use my barker droid, that "spams" in spatial every 60 secs. I agree that fast repeats are annoying. Although one thing ive heard quite often is "damn spammers are lagging me out" now that is not true. If you loaded into a mob of people, you would be laggin even if they were all completely silent, that tiny extra bit of data for the spatial chat is not going to make a difference - the info for player location, movent attributes, visuals etc makes spatials a drop in the bucket. Anyways i digress.


People who have new vendors need to spam. You mentioned galaxy-wide search, but the truthis avery large part of the playerbase does not understand that you can do a vendor location search. Forum readers here tend to be a bit better informed, but i run into experienced people every single day that didnt know about it. If youve got a new product, or something with a special price - how are you going to get people in the door? Forums only reach a small percentage of the playerbase, auction channel is largely ignored, and even for the people who do search the bazaar, with common items, your goods might be pages past their patience to look.


If there was a better way, people would stop spamming For a pure crafter like myself, i want to use the best methods to increase my sales - and if that happens to be barking in spatial, then that's what ill do.


and as far as the inferior products and jacked up prices, that is not true - ive often had cheaply priced, good products on my vendors that would sit and collect dust - then id wander over to theed and start barking, and wham - they would start selling.

Message Edited by MachXXV on 06-20-2005 09:54 AM



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ckclyde
Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:49 am
#5

The bottom line is, spamming works. Until that changes (never) then people will continue to do it. Just look at the spam email/junk mail industry. It is a multi-BILLION dollar industry. Something like that doesn't just go away overnight. I, for one, would LOVE to see an effective, less intrusive form of in-game advertising put into place...something like bill-boards, or yellow pages type directories.


As for myself, I have never spammed in order to sell my wares, no need to. However, I have spammed when I needed to PURCHASE something. I consider this to be nobler (barely) than sell-spam, because I am providing an opportunity for someone to offload their items in-game without having to spend a lot of time looking for a vendor.






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Pappi
Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:55 pm
#6

spammers lag me because I have so many of them on my ignore list that my computer freezes for a few second every time I access my ignore list




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P__Day
Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:19 pm
#7

I use a spam droid, simply for advertising restocks, i also use the forums and a mailing list, some people find it annoying, but i find the barker droids to be very effective.
ckclyde
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:05 am
#8

Anybody know wherre I can get a barker droid on Eclipse?




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Elyssa
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:07 am
#9

Try your galaxy/trade forum or in-game vendor search.



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audioslaves
Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:40 pm
#10

Ok.. I didn't ask why people still spam. I asked why it is still allowed. Two completely different questions.


Perhaps I should have spammed my question a few times and then maybe ya'll would have actually responded to what I said and not what you assumed I said.





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JamieHex
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:14 pm
#11

All spammers should be flogged, repeatedly.




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Orew
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:23 am
#12






audioslaves wrote:

Ok.. I didn't ask why people still spam. I asked why it is still allowed. Two completely different questions.





Can you think of any decent solution to prohibit spamming while still allowing people to use spatial? Well, that's why.


However, the game offers you a mechanism to filter out spammers... it's called the ignore list. Use it liberally and soon you'll get little spam.





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Pappi
Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:23 am
#13



Orew wrote:


audioslaves wrote:

Ok.. I didn't ask why people still spam. I asked why it is still allowed. Two completely different questions.


Can you think of any decent solution to prohibit spamming while still allowing people to use spatial? Well, that's why.

However, the game offers you a mechanism to filter out spammers... it's called the ignore list. Use it liberally and soon you'll get little spam.




yeah, but my computer cries every time I access my ignore list (via ctrl-p or adding someone on). I've cleaned it out before too...




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