Merchant Archive

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CresenKitty wrote:

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Brilyn wrote:

< It says nothing about innocently people being temporarly banned. >

Just like in RL, where people get arrested while the crime is looked into, SOE are banning *everyone* involved in the chain of duped credits while they sort the scumbags from the innocents.

Ok Just to calm this wave. We all want to believe SOE wiLL seperate the good from the bad in this, but where has it been stated by any "Red name" that these may be temporary bans? I have not seen any post by mods or devs about a tempoary ban. However I did see the orginal post about credit dupe and I was even online in game when the post was sent out through system message (got this message like I got First Jedi and Malicious site message).

Basically Brilyn I am asking for a message link about tempoary bans while they investigate so I can read up on their side. Please provide me this information so I may look into it.

Thanks

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Well I read the thread in the link. I read the thread in the announcements. I read the login screen warning. There was no mention of "temporary" in the bans. There is not much history of bans being temporary. The only clue is the "suspended" but then the syntax of the rest of the sentence was "and then banned" Not much of a clue that these were temporary bans

-Indene-

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DocSavag wrote:

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krzlfrx wrote:

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DocSavag wrote:
They are banning people who are recieving them (...)

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It would be very interesting for me how to protect myself from receiving illegal money. I cannot stop persons buying something for my vendors and I cannot know when it is illegal, because it is not displayed for me.

Greetings,

Krzl

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You are right. You can't. You could only suspect something was going on if someone started throwing around money at an alarming rate or asking you to help them move credits around to different characters. Other than that you have no way of knowing.

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moving credits around to different chars would be a dead giveaway in SWG since they could directly bank tip their alts. There is the matter of the 5% surcharge thou so it would not be proof of dirty money.

-Indene-

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Brilyn wrote:

< Basically Brilyn I am asking for a message link about tempoary bans while they investigate so I can read up on their side. Please provide me this information so I may look into it. >

In the link I already posted (in this thread) it states (keyword emboldened by me):

"We are suspending the accounts of these players and banning anyone who has participated in this "money dupe", which includes transferring or receiving of funds/credits. "

Suspend = temporary

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"and then banning" .... "which includes transferring or receiving" and then banning = ban. followed by warnings to not do things with a PA because that would flag your account too would make it pretty clear that you would be banned. Also the login messages said ban not suspended so if suspend=temporary what does ban=?


-Indene-

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Brilyn wrote:

< If they knew who the dupers were, then why is anyone recieving the funds being "suspended?" >

So they can stop the duped credits from circulating further? Maybe?

Let's take this from a technological aspect, rather than simply "banning people is EEVVVVVVVIIIIIIILLLLLLL" aspect:

When a network is hit with a virus, that you can't immdetiately and on-the-spot fix (ie you need to wait for a fix from the Anti-virus people), the way you prevent it spreading all over the place is you disconnect the affected machine from the network. You isolate it so it can't spread.

Similarly, Accounts with duped credits.

If people would get past the "wail, gnash, I'm being punished, what a world, what a world" and just look at it dispassionately as a "this is wot they have to do to fix the problem", I'm sure the Chicken Little syndrome would wind to an end.

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And when I disconnect the Presidents machine you can be sure I tell him *IN ADVANCE* or *AS SOON AS POSSIBLE* what I am doing to his machine and *WHY*. Been there. Done that. Gotten paid in RL to clean up such infections. Had I approached my clients the way SOE did I would have been on the street in minutes.

-Indene-

P.S. possible is my making contact with him not my cleaning up the mess then going in and saying "Oh by the way sir....."

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MaDuece wrote:

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That may be so. However, the fact remains, the fault lies in the people doing the duping and the people that willingly help them cover it up. The people that duped credits are the ones to blame for the real problem. However, the merchants that were willing to help them launder the credits are responsible for the innocent merchants getting "quarrantined". Thats probably an extremely hard thing to determine: whether or not the merchant was an unfortunate bystander that was implicated or whether or not he/she was a willing participant.

Hard. Try impossible.

-Indene-

I'm sorry for your difficulty in waiting a mere *4* days for a business to resolve a technical issue.

I hope when you get out into the real world you cop yerselves on, and realise that some things just take time, and patience all-round helps a heck of a lot.

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Brilyn wrote:

However, from *todays* login, for all the Chicken Littles out there:

All persons potentially involved in the dupe have been banned or suspended.

People who have been banned or suspended are going through the appeals process now. Each case is resolved privately between the customer and customer service. The appeals process will be complete by early next week.

Over 75% of the duped credits are being removed from the economy preventing hyper-inflation in the SWG economy.

No vendor owners were suspended for purchases made from their vendor with duped credits, only people that had money directly transferred to them were affected.

We are committed to maintaining a safe and fair playing environment and exploiting will not be tolerated.

I'm sorry for your difficulty in waiting a mere *4* days for a business to resolve a technical issue.

I hope when you get out into the real world you cop yerselves on, and realise that some things just take time, and patience all-round helps a heck of a lot.

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Dude lay off the caffine. It makes you seem sooooo off the loose end. Calm It is just a game. You have made your point. Let it go.

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Brilyn wrote:

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I hope when you get out into the real world you cop yerselves on, and realise that some things just take time, and patience all-round helps a heck of a lot.

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