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Thread: HELP DOC!!! How do we know what creds are good creds?
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Sigrun
Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:16 am
#14
But Doc, what if we don't know they're duped?
I run a resource vendor on Naritus. On that vendor are several stacks of very old, very valuable resources.
Say a credit duper or someone in the chain comes by my vendor and, in an attempt to launder their credits, they buy a bunch of my stock. Perfect for money laundering because those items will probably retain their value over time, and the duped credits become someone else's problem...
How am I to know or expect that the cash they just paid is counterfeit? I've had newly minted Weaponsmiths do exactly this before. It's rare, but it's not without precedent.
Should we all just shut down our vendors until the devs give the "all clear", or are the devs going to be reasonably intelligent about their pusuit of the duped credits?
Of course, if that was a duper that just bought a bunch of my stock, and the devs KNOW it by transaction logs, then I think the least they should do is return my stuff to me even as they destroy the counterfeit credits from my bank account. I mean, the full inventory of what they bought is right there in the transaction logs they used to find the duped credits, right?
Or should I just shut my vendors down like many others seem to be doing?
BoberFett
Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:40 am
#15
Scoooter wrote:
Well they will be looking for trends, thats how that type of analysis is done.
Would that be the same analysis which resulted in the banning of innocent smugglers?
Vrond
Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:50 am
#16
Actually I think my merchant is safe.
Its my smuggler I am woried about he has no vendors so when he is paided its in the form of a bank tip or window trade and he has lately been paid large amouts for success in getting folks corvette badges.
I doubt any of the folks I took up where credit dupping but they could have been paid in dupped credits and from the way the post was written that means I could still be at risk.
DocSavag
Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:04 am
#17
They will be looking at trends. No one is going to get banned because someone they didn't know bought all their merchandise. If it happens over and over again with you getting rich in the process I would report the person doing it immediately.
Cafa
Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:17 am
#18
Like today, I'm going to spend probably 12 million on auctions.
They need to tailor their statements correctly and stop these broad strokes.
Fivo Asia
joined42904
Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:31 am
#19
I agree, Cafa.
I spent 25M on auctions yesterday. Resources.
I'm not sure how to word the statement though. What if someone is selling goods for 2x regular market value and gets bought out...and it's a lot of goods? Should they be safe just because they are a merchant and it was a sales transaction? I don't think so. I think they should ban the person from the structure even if they don't own it in the current environment though. Because if they restock at high prices and get bought out again.... Well I think you get the picture. It's hard to believe that they are innocent in that circumstance though they might be.
I would hope that they would look at the value of transactions and whether the price paid is in the "range of fairness" on that server for that particular item. There has to be a balance between protecting the innocent and catching the guilty. I'm not sure which is worse overall...banning one innocent person or allowing 10B duped credits into the system.
I still can't believe that they screwed up and have a functioning credit dupe this far out. Duping is a special case in terms of programming MMOs. One of the most basic things is that the code has to make duping impossible. Is there a reason why all credit transactions can't be completely handled on the central computer with no temporary files? Either it gets paid or it doesn't? Either the money is withdrawn or it isn'?
There may even be an item dupe. I saw posts a while back offering almost double the price for organic resources if received prior to weekly server downtime than if received afterwards. I can think of only one reason for that.
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