Merchant Archive
Thread: Vendor Poaching -- What is a VIABLE Solution?
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BountyBlunter
Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:12 am
#118
Rehavam wrote:One of the main reasons for vendor poaching IMO is that currently apart from the very limited bazaar a vendor is the only way to sell off your stuff. And I don't think that's going to change.I read a lot of comments about how only the merchants should be able to operate vendors and that you should contact a merchant to sell of your stuff. Please good lord be realistic, there may be one or two full time merchants on each server that operate that way, the rest are either full-time crafters who sell their own stuff or alts. While it may be possible to find a merchant who will sell some top BE brandy for a small mark up I don't think there will be ever a merchant ready to sell the loot of fightering players. Common. Do you want to negotiate a price on each fekkin piece of loot? Sending thousends of emails, renegiate prices if the item doesnt sell. Please spare me the whole ethics, morality and rp bs... it's not going to happen.On the other side, the current situation renders the merchant skill almost useless. Just grind it once, place your vendors and move on. That is certainly not how it should be.So here's my solution...Every player - no matter if merchant or artisan - gets to place one vendor that can hold max. 100 items, thats it. That should cover all the loot vendors. If you want more, go spend your skill points on merchant.
Edited : To slurp a glass of fine Jawa Beer.
Thanks.. Truly..
I am one of the merchants your talking about, I would like to sell anything with a mark up to populate my vendors with a better selection of items, but a problem you highlight is that some people just can't be bothered to operate that way. Although it really isn't as complex as you make out if you think of a good strategy.
That's where expanding the merchant profession comes in to play of course, adding more features to make that whole proccess easier for the merchant, customer and the suppliers. I don't think you should give everyone a vendor, why bother to become a merchant at all...? You could strip out the profession completely, a vendor with 100 items is more powerfull than people give credit to.. Grab your coke vendor in artisan (cap it too) and you don't need to poach anything or damage this profession in the process.
Sorry but I have to..
/throws eggs
Message Edited by BountyBlunter on 07-04-2004 08:14 PM
Indene
Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:32 am
#119
Just a reminder. The origonal poster does NOT want to have a vendor. She wants to find merchant(s) to work with her. We should stop offering advice on how to get a vendor and be a good BE and concentrate on her question. To that end there are many suggestions on how to improve both the Merchant class and the vendors none of which are likely to see the light of day before JTL or CR (Combat Rebalance). One viable short term solution that I have not seen is for her to go to the forum for her galaxy and advertize for a Merchant to help her. As to the trust issues the 2 will just have to work something out and maybe test each other. I think her galaxy is Bria but I am not sure. Any crafter in the Kettemoor galaxy having similar problems can contact me in game (indene) and I can try to arrange something for you in my galaxy. I am the manager of the Great Mall of Naboo (25+ vendors) - Riverbend Naboo and have a 3 vendor tent out front.
-Indene-
BountyBlunter
Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:26 am
#120
Fair point Indene.
That being the case I would help on Radiant, but she wasn't on my server. And no doubt any other merchant would help out would they be on the same server, I just took offense to the part of the original post where the only way to sell wares as is was to gain a vendor and drop the skills.. That part annoyed me, if the poster had made a heart felt plee to merchants for assistance, it would have been different than having a sly dig here and there while asking the question.
How about a sticky thread in here listing all ofthe merchants willing to re-sell to people who need an outlet for their goods, that way they can take a quick look through and see who is on the server which they play on (if anyone is) and strike up a deal..?
I'll even plug that right here right now, shameless, if anyone would like to re-sell through me on Radiant, all you need do is contact me on the forums or in game.. I have a few vendors left and can give admin on a tent for a personal feel. We don't have a mall in Avalon but do have a commerce area in the center of the village.
As you say people, including myself, have suggested the best place for this kind of thing would be a galaxy specific trade or main board, not the professional board however.
To show my willingness to participate I started up another thread Find yourself a Merchant. If all the merchants willing to help out posted in there it would be an easier way to reference to how many people are willing, and what galaxies are covered by merchants.. Just a thought.
@ DragonScout :
My only problem with your argument is that +30 mask scent or a master combat box in light of - Full doc Buffs, food/bev bonuses, attachments, enhancements, armour, good weaponry, powerups, slices, the ability to group, the ability to re-sell through a merchant, the ability to look for these merchants on these forums, and most of all the ability to do a 180 and get out of a battle you are going to lose is alot of points against your way of thinking being the one and only, the only one I have seen for your way of thinking is that other 'elite crafting' professions get a vendor in the stem profession they have to take without question, which BE do not have to take at all and have different stemming professions... A weak comparison of professional skillsets, at best considering even the roots arent entangled in any way at all.
" I didn't find it as an attack on my ego. I just found it funny. Because you have obviously never played a BE or tried to ask BEs their opinions -- even when they post here for ease of reference. And I guess the difference between us is that I wouldn't try telling a BH or pistoleer or armorsmith how to go about their templates and what they need or don't need, for the simple reason that I have never played one and don't know. On the other hand, I have been a Bio-engineer, and I have been a merchant and I think that gives me a unique perspective to both. hence why I post my opinions when someone pulls up uneducated responses that they got from profession calculators. "
I'm uneducated, like to tell people what to do, have never asked a BE's opinion on the matter, you are correct and I am wrong because you have been a BE and a Merchant andI've only been and still am a Merchant... I feel almost toasty from that opening statement.. Watch you don't fall into the flamer catagory which you hate so much.. Your getting closer. I made those calculations in the office and wanted it to be factually correct as my memory isn't what it used to be when looking at 32 professions. Did you know that too ?
Oh and other people posted other ideas, doesn't mean they were any better than my own.. That's your own personal opinion and turn's the heat up.
Message Edited by BountyBlunter on 07-05-2004 01:29 PM
Vazkor
Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:21 am
#121
Reading this thread made me laugh, funny! Funny how people take offence so easily.
Anyways i would suggest the original poster discuss her sales requirementswithany merchant who operates vendors where she buys her own supplies from and if she has a valid business proposition and both parties can trust each other then perhaps they can form a business relationship which can prosper.
The game as i understand it is not designed to be played 'solo' and as such you will need to interact with other classes, but dont think people are all fair or equal and will be prepared to oblige just because you ask. It may take some time and patience to find a reseller, you may make new friends on the way who knows, but good luck. Ultimately a good productwill sell to the right people with a good brand name (read MERCHANT) behind it.
Sean Onackec (Master Tailor/Droid Engineer/Merchant)
United Trade Brokers (UTB) - Death Valley [Flurry]
DragonScout
Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:38 am
#122
If you noticed, I didn't say my way was the only way. If you noticed, I said I went through a merchant when I had that particular template. If you noticed, that is what I suggested to the person a while back. I was done here a while back too, but if the argument keeps coming up, I haven't gotten completely bored with it yet.
Also, I didn't flame you. I didn't call 'you' uneducated. I called your and other peoples responses uneducated. There is a significant difference between the two. Attacking ideas and opinions, with logic and reasoning, is far different than throwing eggs and calling people asses -- or worse. Your response was uneducated. Yes you stuck some figures in a profession calculator. That is nice. But does that give you an actual feel for the profession? no. not at all. Like I said before.. I wouldn't feel fit commenting on how an armorsmith or bounty hunter could handle anything because I have never actually been either of those professions.
And the BE wanting a viable template and a vendor might be a side issue from this, which should probably have its own topic, but it is still a legit discussion because it is a problem.
And from what I can read of the original post... He/she never said they didn't want a vendor. They just wanted a viable solution since they had tried to find a merchant but had been unable to... and they didn't want to poach. It sounded like they were frustrated from not being able to find help, and yet being told that to do it on their own using the system as it currently works was vile and evil and naughty. And the suggestions to drop their template to get a vendor were asinine. The only suggestions that were really worth the time spent posting them were ones suggesting merchants or secondary accounts. And really the best suggestion has come from you, suggesting a 'merchant-available' topic. Which might actually help the person.
Also, I didn't flame you. I didn't call 'you' uneducated. I called your and other peoples responses uneducated. There is a significant difference between the two. Attacking ideas and opinions, with logic and reasoning, is far different than throwing eggs and calling people asses -- or worse. Your response was uneducated. Yes you stuck some figures in a profession calculator. That is nice. But does that give you an actual feel for the profession? no. not at all. Like I said before.. I wouldn't feel fit commenting on how an armorsmith or bounty hunter could handle anything because I have never actually been either of those professions.
And the BE wanting a viable template and a vendor might be a side issue from this, which should probably have its own topic, but it is still a legit discussion because it is a problem.
And from what I can read of the original post... He/she never said they didn't want a vendor. They just wanted a viable solution since they had tried to find a merchant but had been unable to... and they didn't want to poach. It sounded like they were frustrated from not being able to find help, and yet being told that to do it on their own using the system as it currently works was vile and evil and naughty. And the suggestions to drop their template to get a vendor were asinine. The only suggestions that were really worth the time spent posting them were ones suggesting merchants or secondary accounts. And really the best suggestion has come from you, suggesting a 'merchant-available' topic. Which might actually help the person.
Balkstar
Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:00 pm
#123
Vazkor wrote:
Reading this thread made me laugh, funny! Funny how people take offence so easily.
It actually has been a long standing feud between Dingoboi, P4Samwise, Dragonscout, and Myself. We seem to bring the best out in each other.
p4Samwise
Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:22 pm
#124
I think of many of my visits to the Merchant forum as being like taking a trip to the monkey house at the zooto take pictures and dodge feces.
Message Edited by p4Samwise on 07-06-2004 02:22 PM
p4Samwise
Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:30 pm
#126
You certainly are. Which is why I'm not giving you this banana.
p4Samwise
Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:12 pm
#127
::sploits the Matrix and dodges the brick, Neo style, while eating the banana::
KittenHead
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:13 pm
#129
DingoBoi wrote:
"Hey @$$#*!{"
did anyone ever tell you that you have a potty mouth?
Go suck an egg!
Seriously... what's wrong with you? Or perhaps a better question would be... How old are you?
From your very first post in this thread it has been very clear that you neigther understood the initial post, nor have any control over your own language or emotions. I am disgraced, as a merchant, to belong to the same profession as you.
To answer the original post... currently, there isn't really a viable option, at least for BE, but I think that is a unique situation and not all vendor poachers are BEs. Yes, we need to be fixed. Personally, I wish there were some way to rent a vendor, or space on a vendor, because not only would this solve your problem, but it would solve my own personal problem with giving others admin rights to my structure so they can place their own vendor, if I want a mall. Which I do.
Good luck to you, and I apologize for posts of some of my less than civilized peers.
Aakasha Venothar
>Kauri
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