Merchant Archive
Thread: Feelings of a real merchant
Lets face it, it is down right depressing to se person after person come in here and ask how they can continuo to exploit our profession, and our first duty is to our own well being.
There are 3 categories of posts, the "how do I exploit you profession", the "how do I deal with the horrible interface", and the "bugs created in the last publish". And until this weak we did not have any of the 3th category...
I counted 5 how to exploit as well as 1 anti free vendor post, 2 deal with interface, 8 about pup10, and one that did nit fit these 3 categories among the first 17 topics... Last weak we did not have the pup 10 topics so that would make 6 out of 9 was about the devaluating of out profession or 66%.
Let me say, first of all, those saying this is an exploit are morons. 80% of the merchant population is all extreme tards who refuse to see anything but their own often crafter crafter combination of professions.
This is what we have to deal with.
I applaud you DingoBoi for saying what is necessary, even if the exploiters do not like it. Keep thoughts eggs and do not be afraid to use them, even some merchant prefer we reply with "Yes you can exploit our profession, this is how you do it..."
Okeefe wrote:
Besides being a jerk and extremely rude, you are not furthering your cause by butting into non-related threads just so you can go on another tirade about skill points. Please, READ the threads and put your 2 cents into those that actually have something to do with your pet peeves. Not everything is about skill points.
The problem comes about when every thread invariably comes back to I want vendors for free... or, here's a solution: give us something that's not a vendor but that has all the exact same functionality as vendor...for free.
So yes, every thread is about the skillpoint issue.
I have strong personal views about how the profession should work and I've made those clear in various posts over the past year. I represent everyone in this forum but I also must speak my mind about what I think is the best course. To do otherwiise would be dishonest and a disservice to you all.
This skill point issue and issues that invariably end up coming back to the concept of getting skills that are unique to the merchant profession (counting our Artisan Business colleagues in that group) without expending skillspoints for them invariably descend into flames, nitpicking, and semantics. I wish all of you who feel passionately about this subject would lower the flame level and stop arguing the same points over and over with the same people. I know it is difficult to let a point pass without comment when you feel in your gut that it is wrong, but if you have made the point to that poster already then you are wasting your time trying to convince them. There is a time to simply agree that you don't agree on something and remove the heat from the debate.
Every profession in this game is supposed to have a unique, meaningful role to play in the game. Merchant is no different. Just becuase it is commonly held that it isn't possible to sell items in the game without a vendor doesn't chagne the fact that merchant as a profession has a role and that role must be protected and expanded not diluted.
Frankly ideas that are designed to give more selling power to crafters at the expense of merchants probably belong in the forums for those crafting professions and not in this forum. The point of a professional forum is to promote and discuss THAT profession not to propose ways in which it should be removed from the game. You are free to propose such things, however the fact that the response isn't warm and fuzzy shouldn't surprise you.
LonelyGhost wrote:We should start a thread discussing how to make the Hiring tree useful...like instead of us dropping clothes on them...maybe../gasp...we can choose from a basic menu of clothing, or even let an ID come in and do it. But if our skill level drops below where the skill was granted, the vendor reverts to the generic clothes. Works for Vendor Race too...If I drop a Treadwell, then go lower than the box I got the treadwell in, the vendor is chnaged to a Random one of the same cataegory. This would be an incentive to keep the tree.
I"m not sure I agree with those who feel strongly about those two items. Ehh.. frankly once you give clothes to a vendor yo can't get them back ever..if you drop the skill you can't change them. Im not sure that is a recurring skill. The hiring of different races doesn't necessarily bother me either but I understand why it bothers others.
Neither are a big of a deal to me as the management line exploit was.
DingoBoi wrote:
Okeefe wrote:
Besides being a jerk and extremely rude, you are not furthering your cause by butting into non-related threads just so you can go on another tirade about skill points. Please, READ the threads and put your 2 cents into those that actually have something to do with your pet peeves. Not everything is about skill points.
The problem comes about when every thread invariably comes back to I want vendors for free... or, here's a solution: give us something that's not a vendor but that has all the exact same functionality as vendor...for free.
So yes, every thread is about the skillpoint issue.
/agree 1000000%
I don't post in here as often as I should, but this is one real leader of our profession. Doc, your the man here. I'm sure he wasn't testing your commitment.
I too have the same concern.
The ability to have a vendor is looked upon as a "cheap" "easy" "low-hassle" way to make $ to support another toon.
And thats the bottom line.
We need to protect our profession, because even with our re-vamp. I feel we've given TO MUCH away to the novice Artisan.
/salute to both of you.
JWing wrote:
DingoBoi wrote:
Okeefe wrote:Besides being a jerk and extremely rude, you are not furthering your cause by butting into non-related threads just so you can go on another tirade about skill points. Please, READ the threads and put your 2 cents into those that actually have something to do with your pet peeves. Not everything is about skill points.The problem comes about when every thread invariably comes back to I want vendors for free... or, here's a solution: give us something that's not a vendor but that has all the exact same functionality as vendor...for free.
So yes, every thread is about the skillpoint issue.
/agree 1000000%
I don't post in here as often as I should, but this is one real leader of our profession. Doc, your the man here. I'm sure he wasn't testing your commitment.
I too have the same concern.
The ability to have a vendor is looked upon as a "cheap" "easy" "low-hassle" way to make $ to support another toon.
And thats the bottom line.
We need to protect our profession, because even with our re-vamp. I feel we've given TO MUCH away to the novice Artisan.
/salute to both of you.
I didn't mean to imply I felt I was being tested or insulted. I meant to imply only that I am full of passion about this profession but I try to channel it into non inflamatory discussion instead of fighting with people who don't agree with me. It was a call for more rational friendly discussion, thats all.
I don't claim to have all the answers for the merchant profession. I've been doing it for a while and I think I understand the challenges fairly well but I rely on all of your to supply the expert knowledge about how you do business.
DingoBoi wrote:
I guess I'm an exploiter because I was able to choose the exact merchant I wanted while I was a master merchant, but have since dropped to 4404 merchant. What I should have done when I dropped to 4404 was destroy my existing merchants, then replace them with new vendors using therandom roll on a new merchant that is available to me at my current level.Yes, that would make you an exploiter and by definition, i hate exploiters, so I hate you too.
*chin quivering* "I, I, I....I hate you too, you, you, you'real merchant' you." Lol, go troll for sympathy somewhere else, no one around here deserves to have to put up with obstinate jerks like you. (/throws eggs, sweet methods...). Your loudmouth, obnoxious, and rude opinions aren't needed. DocSavage is a great correspondant and is doing a great job in trying to make merchant a better profession without your condescending BS.
Instead of trying to play police person, give up on trolling and looking for folks you can "hate" for a little bit and try to come up with a few original ideas that would make the merchant profession better and throw your heart and sould into getting the devs to implement your ideas. An a$$ like you needs something constructive to put your mind to or you'll spend all day beating your head into the wall arguing the same points over and over thinking that folks somehow missed what you were saying the first time when really they were ignoring you.
Message Edited by DND_Cas on 09-04-2004 12:32 AM
DND_Cas wrote:Dingo,Work with the system instead of working against it and you'll be fine.Flaming your correspondent gets you know where as people are going to defend him/her. Also your correspondent brings the good ideas to the devs so your cutting off your nose to spite your face is a little pointless.Message Edited by DND_Cas on 09-04-2004 12:32 AM
I haven't seen Dingo flame me..ever really. We get along fine. I sometimes wish he would temper his responses and lower the flame content but we have never really had any hard feelings between us.
There are very few posters on this forum that I have ever had an issue with even those I disagree with strongly.
DND_Cas wrote:
Dingo,
Work with the system instead of working against it and you'll be fine.
Flaming your correspondent gets you know where as people are going to defend him/her. Also your correspondent brings the good ideas to the devs so your cutting off your nose to spite your face is a little pointless.
Message Edited by DND_Cas on 09-04-2004 12:32 AM
I've never flamed doc and I never will. I respect him utterly for his dedication and commitment to this profession.Even if i ever did actually really disagree with him, I wouldn't flame him. He argues his points by reasons and logic and doesn'tstart thead topics titiled "merchant sucks".
He is constrained by his position in posting how he really feels.. and is required to be a 'moderater'. I am not. I can freely state exactly how I feel... and I do so. Love me or hate me.. doesn't matter... what I say is the true and proper way things should be.. people who disagree with me advocate exploiting or the elimination of the3 merchant profession.
Please reread this line:
people who disagree with me advocate exploiting or the elimination of the3 merchant profession.
This a clear and obvious to anyone with half a brain. It's up to you to decide if you are on the exploiter side or the merchant side.