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PetaByte32
Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:48 pm
#1
So this morning, blinded by greed, I logged on and headed to the nearest bazaar. I bought up every old loot item I could then shuttled it to the chassis dealer. In an hour I made over a million credits. Thinking I was a brainiac I failed to notice the shift in loot on the bazaar.
Over the next few hours loot bazaar costs doubled and even tripled. They went far and above what the chassis dealer pays for them. At first I didntsee what was happening. But after thinking about it I came to a conclusion.
Thanks to chassis dealers buying loot at 1k per level, we now have a smaller version of krayt pearls and force crystals. The DEVs have put in yet one more thing to bork the economy. You would think after holocrons, krayt pearls, and force crystals they would have learned not to manhandle this so called "Player made economy". They should just own up and admit its a "DEV made economy" and we have no real control over it.
As for solo-grouping I dont see this as detremental as some say. I never solo grouped before and made millions doing missions. Just go do piket missions on Dant or Bluurg missions on endor. You can make a million creds in a few hours if you really try.
But the chassis dealer buying loot sets the price for the server. Far and above what the loot is truly worth. I saw level 1 components, that werent worth the paper the blueprints were made on, selling for 5 and 6k credits. This severely affects the economy and our play style in many ways.
No more REing loot to get disks. You now have to pay so much if you do decide to use the bazaar route to RE loot by the time you get all 8 you will have to charge up to 10 times what you normally would have charged before just to pay for the costs of loot.
You will never find a level 7 or above loot item on the bazaar anymore. Be ready to hear yet more spamming in starports "Selling a Level 8 Droid Interface for 20k. PST." I found very level 6 items too.
I then did a little test. Ran to do a few Tier 3 missions and sold the loot I got after. I made 230k from just a couple hours of flying. I was in a group too. Think if I was the one that scored all the loot on the ships that were killed? I can fill my inventory in Dathomir sector in just a few hours with loot. All average about level 5. That is 250k to a dealer.
This is the part I dont understand. They take out solo grouping to get rid of some of the influx of credits in the game, then turn around and add the chassis dealer buying loot at such huge prices it nullifies the nerfing of solo grouping. This really proves to me the DEVs give little or no forethought for their actions and just code in the first idea that comes to mind.
Drop the amount the chassis dealer pays. 200 - 500 credits per level would be fine. Or even better get rid of the chassis dealer buyingloot and lower the loot gain.
Tyranus
Magic013
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:09 am
#2
It's good, since looted components can be just as good as the crafted ones and they sell for a usual 1k per level or more, this will make shipwrights also more importand since a whole bunch of the loot isn't on the bazaar anymore.
nicmo
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:12 am
#3
It DOES help to clean up excess loot, considering even more is going to be thrown in now. To be honest, I think 1k per tier level is a mistake... I was expecting parts to be sold for about 200-1k max, but to my shock, I had sold all my junk loot and made 200k!
I think they should stay in, but the prices need to be lowered.
fareone
Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:13 am
#4
i think lvl4 max for bazzars..i really dont like to see more lvl in bazzar ..i love dealers they are good ..i wish one day thay are ganna make all npc(jawas, junkdealers, etc) like them.
spincrus
Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:37 am
#5
Businessmen should not complain on this one. I see this towards their benefits actually, and also for the benefit of the Shipwrights. Let me outline for easier reading:
PROs:
- Bad quality loot will be exchanged for reasonable money, instead of being purged. Players will benefit from this a lot.
- Only good quality lvl 1's and 2's (and even 3's) will appear on the bazaar for the new players.
- Since there is a minimum price offered by the Chassis Dealers, good quality upper level loot will be sold to businessmen for higher prices, benefiting players. For example, a level 5 engine that has relatively good stats will go for 10k when offered to a vendor.
- Businessmen will sell upper level loot that are higher quality at higher prices. Taking the same example, the level 5 engine that was bought for 10k will be sold for 15-20k for profit.
- Vendors will ONLY have good quality loot, unless the vendors are more like "grinding resource" types.
- Players will access higher quality loot on vendors much easier, since lower quality ones will be gone. No more space loot vendor browsing pain...
- Shipwrights will now be able to compete against good quality loots, since loot will cost higher(I personally don't use any SW components right now and I'm tier 3. This might change). Keep in mind that a lot of loot is better than what SWs can make.
- BENEFITING PLAYER ONLY: SWs who want to grind will pay more than 1k to lvl 1 loot.
- Mastering SW will become harder, due to less exposure to loot.
CONs:
- SW will pay too much money to master to get xp through RE (I think that's how it works anyway).
- SW will become even more dependent on players, if that's a bad thing.
- Only JTL people will get rich, the rest will remain dirt poor and will keep on licking my imperial boots.
FACTS:
- Demand for loot by SWs will be higher since there will be less of them out there, increasing the loot prices.
- Supply of good quality loot will probably increase.
- Supply of low quality loot for RE purposes will drop like a brick. This might be a very, VERY bad thing for the SWs out there. However, since their demand for low quality loot will increase, the prices will skyrocket (relatively speaking).
These are not the only things that come to my mind, but I keep on forgetting the points I make 
Maybe the only thing that would be good to do is to lower the prices on CDs to something like 800 per level, or 700 per level.
RedRowan
Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:39 am
#6
I think it's a good idea. I have had a load of loot sitting on the Bazaar for days, all pretty cheap, that has not sold. Being able to sell it to the Chassis dealer has saved me a lot of hassle and a lot of storage space.
RR
RR
hase2
Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:53 am
#7
i personally dont like it.
it seems to be good for pilots wallets but in the long term you run into other problems.
first, a large amount of loot (exspeciall low quality stuff) is taken out of the community.
so there is no more access to cheap low quality stuff that is burned due reverse engineering.
shipwrights have to pay more for loot and try to get their money back by pilots - so component and chassis prices will raise.
pilots that want to RE their stuff will now have trouble to get cheap loot as well.
lets say your reward incom 92.1 speed engine is about to fall apart.
you just go to the bazaar, grab 5 cheap low quality RE lvl 6 engines. (i payed about 15k for all 5)
ran to my shipwright, got my thing REed.
since REing combines the best stats of the 5 engines (including armor and hitpoints (!!!!)) you get a 'brand new' Reverse engineered Reward engine.
we all need higl lvl low quality loot that is taken out of the community now.
after you have mastered the only content you have is squeezing out the max out of your ships. and that is done by REed stuff.
just my 2 ct.
ariasu - infinity
PetaByte32
Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:11 am
#8
spathotan wrote:
Ive noticed SW are the only ones complaining about this. I guess me having to pay 950k for tier 4 ships and so fourth isnt enough, they want to buy my loot to RE and sell for more, or even better, get the KSE disk and make a 50 or so million profit off our loot they spent maybe 3 or 4 mil after buying enough to get the disk. I dont have a problem with SW buying loot, its the business they run that i dont like.
Before the chassis dealer started buying loot, I could get loot parts off the bazaar for about 1k per piece. Per piece not per level. So lets say I have to RE 3k pieces to get all 8 of the disks. That is 3 million credits I spent to get the disks. This goes over to the selling of a firespray because like it or not, if I am selling it, then the buyer is paying for all the loot I had to RE to get the disk.
However now if I wanted to do that I would spend about 4k per piece. Now we are up to 12 million. 4 times the cost in loot. And the buyer is still going to pay for it.
So for you its ok that SWs will raise their prices up too 4 times for firesprays? Ok I will make sure the next firespray I sell doesnt go for anything less then 100 million.
Tyranus
PetaByte32
Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:19 am
#9
spincrus wrote:
Businessmen should not complain on this one. I see this towards their benefits actually, and also for the benefit of the Shipwrights. Let me outline for easier reading:
PROs:
- Bad quality loot will be exchanged for reasonable money, instead of being purged. Players will benefit from this a lot.
Yah a level 1engine with 22.1 speed was selling on the bazaar for 6k credits. Yep very reasonable. NOT!
- Only good quality lvl 1's and 2's (and even 3's) will appear on the bazaar for the new players.
See my reply above
- Since there is a minimum price offered by the Chassis Dealers, good quality upper level loot will be sold to businessmen for higher prices, benefiting players. For example, a level 5 engine that has relatively good stats will go for 10k when offered to a vendor.
- Businessmen will sell upper level loot that are higher quality at higher prices. Taking the same example, the level 5 engine that was bought for 10k will be sold for 15-20k for profit.
- Vendors will ONLY have good quality loot, unless the vendors are more like "grinding resource" types.
- Players will access higher quality loot on vendors much easier, since lower quality ones will be gone. No more space loot vendor browsing pain...
- Shipwrights will now be able to compete against good quality loots, since loot will cost higher(I personally don't use any SW components right now and I'm tier 3. This might change). Keep in mind that a lot of loot is better than what SWs can make.
- BENEFITING PLAYER ONLY: SWs who want to grind will pay more than 1k to lvl 1 loot.
- Mastering SW will become harder, due to less exposure to loot.
Shipwrights get no experiance for REing loot.
CONs:
- SW will pay too much money to master to get xp through RE (I think that's how it works anyway).
- SW will become even more dependent on players, if that's a bad thing.
- Only JTL people will get rich, the rest will remain dirt poor and will keep on licking my imperial boots.
FACTS:
- Demand for loot by SWs will be higher since there will be less of them out there, increasing the loot prices.
- Supply of good quality loot will probably increase.
- Supply of low quality loot for RE purposes will drop like a brick. This might be a very, VERY bad thing for the SWs out there. However, since their demand for low quality loot will increase, the prices will skyrocket (relatively speaking).
These are not the only things that come to my mind, but I keep on forgetting the points I make
Maybe the only thing that would be good to do is to lower the prices on CDs to something like 800 per level, or 700 per level.
The way this economy is, this is yet one more borked thing to help bork up the system even more. The DEVs need to keep their big noses out of our economy and let us try to repair the damage they did on our own. Otherwise, as I said before, this is a DEV run economy and not a player one like they loved saying before the game was ever released.
Tyranus
Kalstang
Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:04 am
#10
I dont know about all of you but on my server i noticed several vendors that sold space loot and crafted parts based off of the lvl of it. And theyre selling em at exactly what the chassis dealer is buying them for (they were doing this before they implemented the chassis dealer buying space loot). so it dont matter to me it affects my economy none.
Forgot to add that this didnt include buying blueprints for ship chassis.
Message Edited by Kalstang on 11-17-2004 07:05 AM
GadonThek
Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:01 am
#11
To be honest, I LOVE this change. LOVE IT.
I wanted to take up ground-based professions to compliment my character in RP, Id like him to have musical skills, merchant skills(so I can decorate houses/guildhalls with costumed vendors), with a few pistol skills on the side. This, however, would have left me with a complete inability to fund my JTL adventures, because I fully expect to die frequently in PvP until I reach the level of competition Im aiming for, which means fairy regular replacement of Interceptor and Oppressor hulls plus componants. I resigned myself to taking a FOTM template and grinding 10k missions now that solo-groups are no more, but if I can make 250k selling loot after flying for a few hours, and suppliment that with a handful of ground-based missions using mediocre pistol skills, I can actually earn enough money as a pilot to.....be a pilot.
I wanted to take up ground-based professions to compliment my character in RP, Id like him to have musical skills, merchant skills(so I can decorate houses/guildhalls with costumed vendors), with a few pistol skills on the side. This, however, would have left me with a complete inability to fund my JTL adventures, because I fully expect to die frequently in PvP until I reach the level of competition Im aiming for, which means fairy regular replacement of Interceptor and Oppressor hulls plus componants. I resigned myself to taking a FOTM template and grinding 10k missions now that solo-groups are no more, but if I can make 250k selling loot after flying for a few hours, and suppliment that with a handful of ground-based missions using mediocre pistol skills, I can actually earn enough money as a pilot to.....be a pilot.
Orryhazard
Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:24 am
#12
I found the bazzar to be full of crap parts. I hope now only the ones worth selling will be on the bazzar. Sell the crap ones to the chassis Dealers.
Cry4Dawn
Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:44 am
#13
I love this idea with the chassey broker. Keep in mind there mission payouts stink. In most cases you make little money even if your just out killing ships. This is really the only mission pay out, and compared to ground missions this is still far less money.. Its fine the way it is.. The bazzar wont have many items for these much longer when people can clearly sell the item for more then they can get on the bazzar. This is only going to be this way for a day or 2....
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