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Optathlete
Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:49 pm
#1
I am sorry all my posts on this board continue to have a negative slant. I truly enjoy JTL, but sometimes I think SOE is going out of their way to make sure that changes.
If you haven't heard, on Test Center, the mass of several ships - the TIE Oppressor, the Firespray, and many of the Privateer ships - is being upgraded. Great news, right? Yes...in theory.
Tiggs posted today, however, that these mass changes won't be retro-active. Meaning if you want the upgraded ship chassis, you have to buy a new one. This is not an acceptable situation, for three main reasons:
- Ship prices. Ships are not cheap by any sense of the imagination - especially not the Oppressor. Are we expected to lay down another 500k to buy an Ace-level ship in order to make sure its the most recent chassis? How often will this be necessarry? I'm not rich like many SWG players; this is not a minor problem to me.
- The Firespray. Now, I don't own one, but these things are damn expensive. Along the lines of a few million credits. Are those who purchased Firesprays now expected to pay that price again if they want the upgraded ship?
- Worst of all, Shipwrights. What of the many Shipwrights who have spent millions of resources to build chassis that are now out-of-date? I'm not a Shipwright either, but I feel for them. Ship chassis take far too many resources as-is, andyounow want to tell them that some of the chassis they have for sale are an obsolete waste of resources? Punishing shipwrights punishes all of us - they'll have to raise their prices to compensate for their losses - which means all pilots, not just those with the modified ship chassis, will suffer.
There is a very easy solution to this problem. It shouldn't take too much time to code or test, and it should leave most people happy. Simply create an NPC at every starport who determines if you have an out-of-date ship deed and offers to update it to the most-recent version of that ship. Now, this won't be perfect, due to things such as experimentation and resource quality - but it's better than no solution at all. Best of all, this NPC could help with any future ship chassis changes that come along. At the very least, you should be reimbursing the Firespray pilots. I say this, and I myself am not even one. Totell them that theship they spent millions of credits on to end up being out-of-date is simply unfair.
Please SOE, don't consider this another minor issue. Your most loyal customers - those of us who purchased JTL on release and have been playing and it enjoying it since - are the ones most affected by this. Do you really want to give some of the most loyalmembers ofyour customer base a slap on the face and say "deal with it"? Especially when there is such a simple solution to the problem?
- Silellak, Imperial Pilot Ace, Black Epsilon Squadron
Message Edited by Optathlete on 11-11-2004 03:53 PM
Cry4Dawn
Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:53 pm
#2
Are you kidding me? Ok this does not float with me at all. I have a Decimator that hasnt even seen space yet and your telling me they are changing everything?
Can Anyone at SOE explain to me why it cant effect all ships currently out there? This is insane.. I am spending 10 Mil on a Firespray and your telling me I am going to have to spend another 10 mil if I want the new and improved one. NOOOOOOOOOO Come on SOE fix this please. If you have to delay the fix I dont care, but I am really burned on this topic.. Fix the mass on ALL ships or dont bother!
Maulibaer
Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:11 pm
#4
Hey, why not make a sort of trade in at Shipwrights trainer like you made it with the pets?
Trade in would be for a upper-grade standard model at least, but if you are smart you could give us (like by the pets) some special lookin' chassis (Maybe with a different texture), that would be cool an would add some more color to JTL. It would also be a sort of bonus for all the early buyers....
That could be a solution.
Or if you not able to change the status, give us at least some money back, maybe:
100k for a tier 1 chassis
200k for a tier 2 chassis
And so on
Don't know the prices of Multiplayer Ships......
For a Firesparay that MUST be about 5 mil minimum - should be more, maybe 10 mil.....
DarthRath
Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:20 pm
#5
This is unacceptable, simple as that. Alot of us have already emptied our pocketbooks, buying these chassis. For us to get the shaft because you put in yet MORE high end bs content, is absolutely wrong.
The mass changes are great, and I'm VERY happy to see them coming, but I, and not I alone, cannot afford to go out and REBUY all the chassis I need/have/want. Add to this, the fact that you're changing the grouping deal, and its insult to injury.
Now not only are you making us spend MORE of our hard earned credits, you're making them even harder to earn as well..
Bravo devs......what a crock.
CaptainStormy
Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:25 pm
#6
They had better make it retroactive, that is crazy thatthey wouldnt make it be retroactive. Im sure they could make it so that all you would have to do would be to redeed the ship or something liek that, just like with PA halls you needed to pay a credit to get the 2 lots back, you didnt have to buy a new one.
I just paided 10 Million for a firespray, all I can say is that if its not made retroactive I will be VERY upset.
sirsri
Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:22 pm
#7
Ok this calculation isn't hard to do.
Tie Oppressor. Decide the "average" mass (Tie oppressor this is about 150k, mine is 151k and its pretty good I believe).
Current mass/average mass (old oppressor) * average mass of new oppressor. If you had a crappy one before it will be exactly as equally crappy, if you had an exceptional one before it will be equally exceptional (by the same percent).
This isn't a hard conversion to do, I don't see why not just do it.
As opposed to something which is a multi line crafting (where changing one thing can radically alter the balance with other things), Ships are a one line crafting object, with one line for left over points. I seriously doubt there are any SW's out there who don't max out the mass on every ship they make first.
granted that leads into a different discussion on whether or not the current mass sytem makes any sense at all, but that's for another day.
Tie Oppressor. Decide the "average" mass (Tie oppressor this is about 150k, mine is 151k and its pretty good I believe).
Current mass/average mass (old oppressor) * average mass of new oppressor. If you had a crappy one before it will be exactly as equally crappy, if you had an exceptional one before it will be equally exceptional (by the same percent).
This isn't a hard conversion to do, I don't see why not just do it.
As opposed to something which is a multi line crafting (where changing one thing can radically alter the balance with other things), Ships are a one line crafting object, with one line for left over points. I seriously doubt there are any SW's out there who don't max out the mass on every ship they make first.
granted that leads into a different discussion on whether or not the current mass sytem makes any sense at all, but that's for another day.
KillDroidxx
Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:48 pm
#8
DarthRath wrote:
This is unacceptable, simple as that. Alot of us have already emptied our pocketbooks, buying these chassis. For us to get the shaft because you put in yet MORE high end bs content, is absolutely wrong.
The mass changes are great, and I'm VERY happy to see them coming, but I, and not I alone, cannot afford to go out and REBUY all the chassis I need/have/want. Add to this, the fact that you're changing the grouping deal, and its insult to injury.
Now not only are you making us spend MORE of our hard earned credits, you're making them even harder to earn as well..
Bravo devs......what a crock.
Lol. Not to flame just pointing out... Are you now complaining because they are adding content? LOL. Sounds like it. Might want to edit and reword lol.
Sypherist
Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:52 pm
#9
Agreed - They really do need to make it retroactive - I have a firespray, and one sold for 26mil on my galaxy trade forums, 26mil!!! not many people can afford that, me being one. 
I know they don't listen to these posts usually, but this is important for alot of Firespray, Opressor etc owners.
I know they don't listen to these posts usually, but this is important for alot of Firespray, Opressor etc owners.
- M*A*S*H -
JavaHulk
Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:54 pm
#10
they dont care man, do you know how many of these posts get ignored? 99% of them.
Im sorry to say it, but cmon, its the truth and we all know it. The devs can listen to every post that makes sence, only the ones they WANT to listen too.
I have yet to discover their method of choosing posts to listen to, but I suspect it involves darts. or dice. or drugs. Really, any D word could be it.
truewildman
Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:32 pm
#11
In beta, when they changed the masses on components, they couldn't change the masses on components already looted or crafted. This is because of the way the database is set up. It would be a helluva nightmare to go in and try to find every chassis or component and change the mass. The result would be a cacaphony of some that have been changed, and some not, and some incorrectly....a nightmare.
There isn't a blanket program to change the masses on the chassis already crafted.
truewildman
Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:33 pm
#12
Sypherist wrote:
Agreed - They really do need to make it retroactive - I have a firespray, and one sold for 26mil on my galaxy trade forums, 26mil!!! not many people can afford that, me being one.
I know they don't listen to these posts usually, but this is important for alot of Firespray, Opressor etc owners.
Someone got took. Bad...
Sypherist
Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:45 pm
#13
truewildman wrote:
Sypherist wrote:
Agreed - They really do need to make it retroactive - I have a firespray, and one sold for 26mil on my galaxy trade forums, 26mil!!! not many people can afford that, me being one.
I know they don't listen to these posts usually, but this is important for alot of Firespray, Opressor etc owners.
Someone got took. Bad...
Well, when rich people get bidding for something they want, they pay alot... I got mine from a friend SW.
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