Jump To Lightspeed Archive

Thread: A couple of thoughts (warning kinda long) Necroed For CU

Sapanther
Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:09 am
#1


Anyone remember back in the day on EQ where you could not only heal your friends but you could also heal Mobs? Well it was a long time ago in this day in age. If you dont remember that but you do remember getting your Life Day Orb then do me a favor. Stop whining about the status of the game. Take a look at the big picture here folks. You are playing a game that has to do quite a few things all at once. When EQ came out it had to introduce a whole new genre to the world. With NO budget. It took forever for a few guys to figure out how to get things right. You know the formula.


Step One=Create a game everyone loves and do it as fast as possible.


Step Two=Add content.


Step Three=Charge what the market will bare.


Repeat steps two and three while making sure number one is still current.


The big picture is simple if you accept a couple basic truths. Creating a game isnt easy. Knowing how to please everyone is impossible. And that paying your bills comes first.


Lets take a look at these simple truths and see how they relate to those steps. You cannot make a game everyone loves. You cannot give everything everyone wants out of their experience. You have to come as close as you can. Then you come to the speed thing. Do you release now and let the community rip it to shreads? Or do you draw the Beta out over 2 years so as to get everything right? Remember that you are not only creating something no one has ever tried before with a whole new interface but with graphics, AI, Combat, Char Creation, AND Abilities. Not only this but you have to make not only one game but TWO different games and make sure they can coexist with interlocking mechanics. Now this doesn't seem to be too much to ask for now is it? Oh wait. Let's add one more thing to the mix. A genre building storyline that has been in place for over 25 years. A storyline that has been forced into their souls by two generations of media coverage. Oh, and that story line, may just change on you in a heartbeat because the Base facts havent been established yet. Ok so you put something out ppl could get their hands on. then you find out that no one cares what you had to do to get there. They want more. They have to have more. They see the bugs they dont remember having to fight in EQ or UO or DOAC. You know they were there. You know how long it took to gewt those ironed out. You know that given the chance you can give them something they can enjoy. You have to. You have to make sure they still want to play the game. You have not only your career at stake but your families well being. If ppl dont want to play, you wont get to keep the job you so love. you look to the future and you see what? A great game? A pleasently satisfied customer? No. You see having to start over again adding more to the game to keep them playing. You see even more posts on you forums that you dont know what your doing. Your greedy. Your pathetic. You put out a crappy game and you dont care.


Folks, There is no arguement that things need to be changed up. Things need to be added to the game. Things need to be addressed. But understand. There was a time when you could get mad at someone in EQ and heal the mob they had been trying to kill for over the past hour and there was nothing they could do about it. Things take time. And eventually you will be remembering the days when you could take your speeder bike to the starport, Leave it, Call it up at your destination, And it will be good as new. And when you do


Laugh and have some more fun

Message Edited by Sapanther on 07-09-2005 07:42 PM



" Nice place, What are we gonna blow up first"

/Sigh Life is good

Why say something with one word when you can say it with twenty?
Isendale
Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:15 am
#2

You know, you are so totally right about every single point you just brought up...



+| [=( Colbas Tifarr )=] |+
Master Entertainer/Master Musician/Nearing Master Pistoleer
Cuality
Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:17 am
#3

Pssssh, that wasn't long at all, i read longer messages on cereal boxes. You sir need to go back to troll school.


As for your point, yes. I agree. Every game has its bugs. Sure SWG has a list of em, but this game is totally different from your standard hack and slash game. The combat system is borked because it is one of the most complex combat systems in any MMORPG. A character can have up to near 50 different specials. Add in that these specials don't work with some and not other weapons and that they have to actually contend with weapons and armor that are not identical for any 2 characters and you have a very, very complex game. Even thinking about the enormous task of reworking the entire system gives me a headache.




(_-·._.)¯._Jarik Suul·._.·´¯(._-·._)
)¯`·.__.·-·._.* Dark Commando Troll*._-·._·._.·´¯(
~Trolleone Mafia~
Sapanther
Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:22 am
#4

ya know ... now that i see it on the forums and not on my notepad .... it isnt that long ... **shrug** ...thanks for the positive feedback .... i am actually waiting on the flames to start so i can bring out my firehoses



" Nice place, What are we gonna blow up first"

/Sigh Life is good

Why say something with one word when you can say it with twenty?
recycled
Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:33 am
#5


No flames here. lol



In response. I dont really have a problem with this game. I'm still playing it since beta 3, and sure things dont go the way everyone wants it, but everyone doesnt liek the same things thankfully. Believe me, when people have the character species "JAWA" and "EWOK" and "GUNGAN" to choose from, thats when i consider leaving, or PVping alot more. lol



nice post.
comiskeyechew
Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:50 am
#6

very nice post.personally even tho there r the occasional bugs and the partial bad lag i really still love this game.in the whole time since day 4 ive never thought of leaving. and its really doubt how those retards quit the game to show a point of how they want the CB nd the GWC but thats just doubt and i fully understand y JTL come sout first and i wish everyone would settle down and enjoy the game.all negative posts i read r usually some troll who in his own opinion says the game blows but out of all the people playing this game only 2% of the players have that same opinion and its great that we all can enjoy the game.we r all egtting our money out of the game and give the game some time.and when i see a troll i wish i had his name and address and i would go to his doorstep and either place a bag of flaming wookie poo or knock him out cold(all dependson how annoying he is)i truely believethatJTL will be getting awards like GTA vice city. i cant wait to see what all the pc mags rate jtl .there wont be a ranking high enough for it.so just wait.3 months till this game,it will be unbelievely incredible.
SolRetriever
Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:09 am
#7

Indeed, nowhere near a long post. I've enjoyed this game since launch and it's funny how many people complain (including myself at times) but alot of us still keep coming back for more.The main reason I keep coming back? I'm too big of aStar Wars fan!


Thatsaid, in regards to the combat balancethat Cuality mentionedpreviously, I don't think combat in this game will ever be "balanced". There will always be some templates that are greater than others, and someone willalways havemore powerfularmor and weaps.And of course there will always be people complaing about the combat system if it doesn't suit there tastes or styles or if there profession is lacking in some areas.


I'm just trying to figure how can they "balance" it and how everyone wants the combat system to be.


And I agree C, thinking about this does give you a headache!



Rammel Lynterrus
The Underground Smuggler
Cyleco
Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:35 am
#8

Yes nice post indeed. I have always gotten frustrated with the players that complain so much. I think they fail to realize the game is a little over a year old. They need to take a look at how far things have comein only a year and then they can have more respect for what it is that the devs do. I have faith in them



Cyleco Eekoarz
ShipWright - CyTech Industries

Imperious Novus, Dantooine
Intrepid Real Estate Authorized Agent

Vendors located at -2283 5350 Dantooine

SmokStax
Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:59 am
#9

least it wasn't AO at launch



"Smell the burning flesh.
Taste the tangy sulfer air.
Volcano season."
-Moltar
i hope the Borg are the 2nd species
Sapanther
Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:38 am
#10

I am somewhat proud yet startled by the limited replies to this post. Not in the number of posts but in the fact that we are all in agreement. This is a good game and people know it. Sometimes though we see the minute details and become outraged and want to lash out in every direction possible but when we look at the big picture we understand.



" Nice place, What are we gonna blow up first"

/Sigh Life is good

Why say something with one word when you can say it with twenty?
Solace1
Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:41 am
#11






Sapanther wrote:

I am somewhat proud yet startled by the limited replies to this post. Not in the number of posts but in the fact that we are all in agreement. This is a good game and people know it. Sometimes though we see the minute details and become outraged and want to lash out in every direction possible but when we look at the big picture we understand.







Ah yes, but the one star bandit abounds


Brave enough to click a rating button, but not brave enough to voice (write) the opinion.




"In my culture, I would be well within my rights to dismember you."
Teal'c, Stargate SG-1

JtL Beta Tester since 9/21/04
Noukie
Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:42 am
#12


As soon as we stop complaining the devs will take a 6 week break to hawaii.



It's all for the nookie.
Pikachu91
Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:52 am
#13






Sapanther wrote:

I am somewhat proud yet startled by the limited replies to this post. Not in the number of posts but in the fact that we are all in agreement. This is a good game and people know it. Sometimes though we see the minute details and become outraged and want to lash out in every direction possible but when we look at the big picture we understand.






First off, I agree with you, but in your above post you seem to want some flame, so i'll flame a bit, even though i agre with you completely...lol, doesn't make sence, but oh well!


ur idea is so stupid! u r so stupid!


Arg, I can't get my old horribale IM english, sorry i could'nt flame better

This was just a joke post, so any people that want to flame on me, read my first sentence that says i agree with him. And thats for corrispondants, and what not that have the power to put me on ban again just cause i had a lot of stress boilded up from a year on the fourms of various poeple making fun of my name, and how i origanaly thought. But now that has all changed, and I doubt i'll flame like that again. That last 2 senteces was to Jessica who band me for a couple days from continueus flaming, I like to say thank you, let me let of some steam and wasn't on the bords.




yes, my name is stupid.






Cheers, and by the way, I think I may have lost my sanity when I choose 'Pikachu91' as my forum name.... my sanity is back now at least...
Page 1 of 4
Previous Next