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Aden_Nak
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:01 pm
#1
But that's my point, Robo. Adjust and Reinforce chance the values by the same numbers. It's just that Adjust has to be done beforehand, and you LOSE total shield energy because it subtracts from one side without being gained on the other side. Reinforce, however, just "dumps" the energy from one shield to the other on the fly. The only time to use Adjust is if you know in advance what you are fighting AND you have time to let your shields recharge. And you get the same results as Reinforce (when used mid-battle), but with extra waiting time.
No benefit, comparatively. If the energy went over WITH the chaning of the values, then it would be worth using. But as it is now, you can get the same results by Reinforcing mid-fight, without needing to even things out later (and lose energy AGAIN).
No benefit, comparatively. If the energy went over WITH the chaning of the values, then it would be worth using. But as it is now, you can get the same results by Reinforcing mid-fight, without needing to even things out later (and lose energy AGAIN).
Maxila
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:05 pm
#2
Ahh Haa! Thank you everyone for the info I thought the adjust command increasedthe recharge of the front or back shields.
So the command is useless in a fight, you need make the adjustment and allow the adjustment to charge.
Dreamland
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:09 pm
#3
Coran_Sienar wrote:
Dreamland wrote:
See the fact that it has to charge up makes it a joke. In all the x-wing and tie fighter games you could adjust your shields at will without waiting for them to charge up. The way it is now you could do a seiries of front and back adjusts and totaly kill your shield, there is no reason for that, its stupid.
You won't be saying that after facing the Corvette.
I have faced the corvette many times. Without shield commands at all, i still feel it would be useless now that i have them. The reinforcement commands are indespensible, But i just see no value to adjustment the way it works now.
Dreamland
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:10 pm
#4
Dreamland wrote:
Coran_Sienar wrote:
Dreamland wrote:
See the fact that it has to charge up makes it a joke. In all the x-wing and tie fighter games you could adjust your shields at will without waiting for them to charge up. The way it is now you could do a seiries of front and back adjusts and totaly kill your shield, there is no reason for that, its stupid.
You won't be saying that after facing the Corvette.
I have faced the corvette many times. Without shield commands at all, i still feel it would be useless now that i have them. The reinforcement commands are indespensible, But i just see no value to adjustment the way it works now.
In fact i knock out corvettes for amusement in deep space all the time with my opressor.
Coran_Sienar
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:23 pm
#5
Sorry for my presumption, then. I find the adjustments to be quite useful simply due to the fact that the turbolaser can one-shot my shields, otherwise. Can't fit a MKV shield in an A-Wing.
Aden_Nak
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:38 pm
#6
Coran_Sienar wrote:Sorry for my presumption, then. I find the adjustments to be quite useful simply due to the fact that the turbolaser can one-shot my shields, otherwise. Can't fit a MKV shield in an A-Wing.
Okay, here's ONE example where Shield Adjustment might be of some use, at least. I can see that, if you are stuck with a sub-2000 shield. However, I don't really know if we need FIVE FLAVORS of Shield Adjustment.
Maxila
Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:30 am
#7
Anyone know if the the bugged Shield Adjust Extreme commamd is in for a fix soon? Right now when I use it instead of applying extra power to my shield it reduces the shield bar I was trying to add extra power too.
Don't confuse this command wth Shield Reinforcemant which is supposed to takes shields away from the back or Front and give it to the other to reinforce this command works fine for me.
Dreamland
Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:37 am
#8
What it does is mak the shield bar you are adding power to stronger at the expense of the other. So if you adjust front shields extreme, they go up in hitpoints while The back goes down. You can see this by pressing the V key and looking at your ships shield max hitpoints.
However when it does this it does not transfer existing energy, it is lost, so when you reinforce your front shield it may go up to 3000 hp but it still only has 2000. So it has to charge up to 3000 on its own. I do not know if this is the intended way for it to work, but it makes it pretty useless to me.
Do the moderate light and heavy adjusts work this way too?
Aden_Nak
Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:45 am
#9
Yes, all of the adjusts work this way, and it makes them completely useless compared to Reinforce. All Adjust does is let you pre-set a Reinforce that you later have to set back. Pretend for a moment that you are going to be attacking a Gunboat, and you want better forward shields.
Front Shield: 1000
Rear Shield: 1000
Now let's use Adjust Moderate on these shields.
Front Shield: 1500
Rear Shield: 500
You still have to wait for the front shield to charge up to 1500, though, since that's just the MAX, not what it changes to. Okay. Now, instead of messing with the defaults, let's assume you only have Reinforcement. Partway through your run, your shields look like this.
Front Shield: 500
Rear Shield: 1000
So you hit Moderate Reinforce. Now they look like this.
Front Shield: 1000
Rear Shield: 500
If you add up the totals, you will find that in both cases, you added the same amount of extra protection (500) to your front shield, but you didn't have to WAIT for the damn things to charge up first. Also, you don't have to switch them back to "default" later. They will recharge as normal, and return to 1000/1000.
I understand the CONCEPT behind Shield Adjust, but really it is completely worthless, as long as you have enough skill to pilot your ship AND hit one of the Function keys in mid-battle.
Front Shield: 1000
Rear Shield: 1000
Now let's use Adjust Moderate on these shields.
Front Shield: 1500
Rear Shield: 500
You still have to wait for the front shield to charge up to 1500, though, since that's just the MAX, not what it changes to. Okay. Now, instead of messing with the defaults, let's assume you only have Reinforcement. Partway through your run, your shields look like this.
Front Shield: 500
Rear Shield: 1000
So you hit Moderate Reinforce. Now they look like this.
Front Shield: 1000
Rear Shield: 500
If you add up the totals, you will find that in both cases, you added the same amount of extra protection (500) to your front shield, but you didn't have to WAIT for the damn things to charge up first. Also, you don't have to switch them back to "default" later. They will recharge as normal, and return to 1000/1000.
I understand the CONCEPT behind Shield Adjust, but really it is completely worthless, as long as you have enough skill to pilot your ship AND hit one of the Function keys in mid-battle.
Dreamland
Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:49 am
#10
See the fact that it has to charge up makes it a joke. In all the x-wing and tie fighter games you could adjust your shields at will without waiting for them to charge up. The way it is now you could do a seiries of front and back adjusts and totaly kill your shield, there is no reason for that, its stupid.
ROBO1964
Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:56 am
#11
Shield adjust is good when you know what your gonna have to fight. For example if you are going after a ship with a rear firing cannon you want to start the battle with more shield on the front because thats where you will need it. So its used in preparation for an attack. Shield reinforce is used after the fact when you realize the shield is too weak. Shield adjust could be better though as the few times I used it in battle I had to use emergency shields to fill it up and of course then I had no weapons.
Coran_Sienar
Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:59 am
#12
Dreamland wrote:
See the fact that it has to charge up makes it a joke. In all the x-wing and tie fighter games you could adjust your shields at will without waiting for them to charge up. The way it is now you could do a seiries of front and back adjusts and totaly kill your shield, there is no reason for that, its stupid.
You won't be saying that after facing the Corvette.
Coran_Sienar
Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:02 am
#13
Aden_Nak wrote:
Coran_Sienar wrote:
Sorry for my presumption, then. I find the adjustments to be quite useful simply due to the fact that the turbolaser can one-shot my shields, otherwise. Can't fit a MKV shield in an A-Wing.
Okay, here's ONE example where Shield Adjustment might be of some use, at least. I can see that, if you are stuck with a sub-2000 shield. However, I don't really know if we need FIVE FLAVORS of Shield Adjustment.
Try the commands again. Last night, it actually transferred the energy without just destroying it. I was able to start "farming" Aggressors in Kessel without waiting. 
Edit: Oh, and the reason that there are so many flavors is so we Rebels can trade our chips to unsuspecting Privateers and Imps.
"Say, I've got 17 droid commands. How about you just give me multiple copies of yours and we'll call it even..." 
Message Edited by Coran_Sienar on 11-23-2004 09:03 AM
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