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taloncard
Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:41 am
#1
ok you knew this was comming sooner or later.
The summit was over 8/29
We were told we would get more info in a week.
Where is it?
This is not a dig against any of our correspendants. I would just really like to know beyond the rumor mill that the combat revamp made it beyond the dead tree stage.
The summit was over 8/29
We were told we would get more info in a week.
Where is it?
This is not a dig against any of our correspendants. I would just really like to know beyond the rumor mill that the combat revamp made it beyond the dead tree stage.
Shadowplay
Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:03 am
#2
We were never promised info in a week's time. It was more like "you'll start to see info in a couple of weeks" but there was never a real ETA given. Keeps us from saying, "You said we would get X on this date so where is it?!"
I'm pretty anxious to see some real info myself. Just having to bide my time...
Tstorm
Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:21 am
#3
taloncard wrote:
ok you knew this was comming sooner or later.
The summit was over 8/29
We were told we would get more info in a week.
Where is it?
This is not a dig against any of our correspendants. I would just really like to know beyond the rumor mill that the combat revamp made it beyond the dead tree stage.
I am curious myself as it has been mentioned in previous weeks as having been considered for the Friday Feature. Today is another Friday so maybe today will be the day we hear something.
I am not opposed to waiting longer to hear details if there are still some pretty key areas being figured out (with the Correspondants helping the Devs remove the sharp edges), but I definitely agree that some news is what would be helpful. I think the Devs have been doing a pretty poor job all along of setting expectations (then failing to meet them) and this is what gets people pretty bent out of shape (justifiably so). If we could hear a simple "We've been working on the combat revamp draft, have hit some snags, and need another week or so to work it out before we share it with the community", that would go off a lot better than no information to players waiting in suspense.
Shadowplay
Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:37 am
#4
Tstorm wrote:
I am not opposed to waiting longer to hear details if there are still some pretty key areas being figured out (with the Correspondants helping the Devs remove the sharp edges), but I definitely agree that some news is what would be helpful. I think the Devs have been doing a pretty poor job all along of setting expectations (then failing to meet them) and this is what gets people pretty bent out of shape (justifiably so). If we could hear a simple "We've been working on the combat revamp draft, have hit some snags, and need another week or so to work it out before we share it with the community", that would go off a lot better than no information to players waiting in suspense.
Now that would be good to see. Comes back to that lack of communication (no need to go over that again hehehe.)
I'm worried that the first bits of info we get on this revamp will be too generic. Something along the lines of a statement about how they will be adjusting several professions to better balance their effectiveness in combat so that no one profession will be significantly better than another... uhm... ya, so what does that really mean? bah. I hoping they gives us something more concrete. Surely they must know by now that everyone is very, very fixated on this combat revamp - no we aren't all distracted by Swarm of the Jedi or the expansion - and that we'll basically go nuts if they don't give any specifics as was promised.
Seiryuu
Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:06 am
#5
Don't hold your breath talon. We were told the profession-role document would be out "something this week" a month ago...
itszul
Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:13 am
#6
From the Commando forum:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=commando&message.id=70872
"There is still no rain in sight for this parched land" in regards to news about the CB/CR/GCWR
ZuL'ri, MCH / MBE
Gorath Galaxy
Gyorgy
Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:00 am
#7
Vert said it was only a week till they are released (which was pretty optimistic due to the dev-speed so far). Another corr said 2 - 3 weeks which seems to be a more realistic estimation.
Message Edited by Gyorgy on 09-11-2004 04:01 AM
taloncard
Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:35 am
#8
and they wonder why we are so skeptical about the supposed combat revamp
Tstorm
Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:47 am
#9
Personally, I think the Devs have other things on their minds right now and the combat revamp is more of a "in our spare time" kind of thing.
JTL is entering Beta and will be shipping within a couple of months or so, so I'm sure the Devs are scrambling to bring Beta servers up, get people testing, and frantically fixing bugs.
Tiggs just started working and is figuring out what's what. The Community Relations "assistant" (used to be Thunderheart and is now Tiggs) seems to always be the main person interacting with the player community. The Devs may be wanting to give Tiggs a bit of time before dropping such a potentially contraversial "bomb" on the community.
Lastly, the Devs do seem to be doing a side project with replacing or rearranging hardware on servers. They haven't explained it in detail, but it sounds like it involves whole servers at a time and will ultimately improve stability and reliability.
I'm not trying to defend the Devs, but am merely trying to state what we know they're working on -- and that's a lot as is. I tend to be a realist and as a result it can appear I am defending someone not getting things done fast enough, but it's really not the case. Heck, I'm eager to see the combat revamp (even in draft document form) myself!
JTL is entering Beta and will be shipping within a couple of months or so, so I'm sure the Devs are scrambling to bring Beta servers up, get people testing, and frantically fixing bugs.
Tiggs just started working and is figuring out what's what. The Community Relations "assistant" (used to be Thunderheart and is now Tiggs) seems to always be the main person interacting with the player community. The Devs may be wanting to give Tiggs a bit of time before dropping such a potentially contraversial "bomb" on the community.
Lastly, the Devs do seem to be doing a side project with replacing or rearranging hardware on servers. They haven't explained it in detail, but it sounds like it involves whole servers at a time and will ultimately improve stability and reliability.
I'm not trying to defend the Devs, but am merely trying to state what we know they're working on -- and that's a lot as is. I tend to be a realist and as a result it can appear I am defending someone not getting things done fast enough, but it's really not the case. Heck, I'm eager to see the combat revamp (even in draft document form) myself!
Aakhperkare
Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:49 am
#10
I would have been ok with the delays if they didn't so blatantly lie to us about the combat rebelance and the GCW rebalance...
taloncard
Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:00 am
#11
Nerj wrote:
The old matra was "Wait for the Combat Revamp" The new mantra is "Wait for the Combat Revamp Documents"
Now isn't that progress.
T-storm
even a post saying "this is the piliminary plan it is not set in stone but we would like the community so see what we are working on" followed by the revamp.
No insead they let the volunteer correspendants take all the heat for only being able to drop hints.
They still haven't figured out that we as a community want to see this game succeed or we wouldn't be playing it.
We have also seen that their initial ideas are always crap.
I give you
- The original combat revamp that they scrapped before they finished implimenting it
- the crafters revamp
- the merchant revamp
- the droid invasion (boy now i really see droids all over not!)
- corpse runs (great idea but too many bugs)
- The randomness of buffs
- Medical crafting (you know us exploiters that use nothing but the finest stuff for multi -1000 buffs and overpowerful CM posions)
Now if they would post it and get a little community feedback (and yes the flames) would that be so horrible? or would it actually give some of us who are sick of the imbalance a reason to keep playing?
The devs will never know they lack vision and most importantly they lack leadership, leadership of the community as a whole.
Aakhperkare
Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:09 am
#12
In all honesty, looking at these developers track record for implimentation of publishes, despite how much feedback they get from the community, ALWAYS fails to live up to expectations.
And I really don't have much confidence in them to do this combat revamp properly, but I will still give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see...
Tstorm
Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:10 am
#13
Aakhperkare wrote:I would have been ok with the delays if they didn't so blatantly lie to us about the combat rebelance and the GCW rebalance...
I'm not sure it was intentionally lieing as much as it was a foolish expectation they set. The Devs do seem very bad at forecasting things then having a myriad of excuses (all good ones, but excuses nonetheless) why something is delayed. I get pretty frustrated too when things slip time and time again to where a pattern of disappointment develops and eventually leads to skepticism about any future plans.
I do *not* want the Devs to stop communicating with us altogether in order to prevent us from getting frustrated when things slip. What I would like to see is less promise (or implied promise) and more outline types of things. I think the Devs do better when they do *not* include dates and just do a rough outline of big milestones and ordering they are shooting for.
Maybe Tiggs will push to improve some of this stuff. I think many in the community, whether you're ready to strangle the closest Dev or not, has seen enough slippage in deadlines and such to want to see some improvement.
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