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Aakhperkare
Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:17 am
#14
I'd love to see some improvement, and the developers have been given every opportunity. I know there are things happening behind the scenes we don't know about that have an adverse affect upon the progress of the game, but it's the obvious things that have killed my faith in these developers.
Things such as the factional insurance blunder. Where it was promised that decay would be removed fromfactional combatupon insured deaths. And then Thunderheart totally backtracks on that statement, calling it a miscommunication, which is obviously wasn't since people were preaching the removal of decay upon insured faction combat death for the longest time.
Then there is the DE blunder not to long ago.
And the fact that Thunderheart apparently didn't know Stormtrooper armor was factional armor, when he saidthat factional armors would be beefed up in usefulness, saying that this won't necessarily include Stormtrooper armor.
Kinda see a few of the reasons I don't like the devs very much?...
Tstorm
Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:26 am
#15
taloncard wrote:even a post saying "this is the piliminary plan it is not set in stone but we would like the community so see what we are working on" followed by the revamp.
No insead they let the volunteer correspendants take all the heat for only being able to drop hints.
I agree.
There is an "In Concept" forum that I would love to see used a lot more. The Devs posting there could use a boilerplate "nothing here is written in stone or should be considered a commitment" type of disclaimer. I do think discussion, even "In Concept" tends to set an expectation something will be done sometime, but if the Devs posted "In Concept" stuff more often it would get communication flowing better and a big chunk of the frustration would dissapate.
As for the Correspondants, they're in a bad position all around at the moment. If the Devs start communicating a lot more, the Correspondants will be ignored altogether in favor of sending a plea directly to the Devs. If the Devs leave it to the Correspondants to communicate and "take the heat", they get accused of being "yes men" and similar things.
Hopefully Tiggs will be better at managing everything. It's a heck of a job to have and I sure wouldn't want it.
Gyorgy
Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:54 am
#16
Maybe it would be better for devs just not to give any dates on improvements or not even info on improvements, Tstorm. You could do that with agame where improvements are just expansions (like new weaponry, content,...) of the game. But with this game where loads and loads of things are bugged and misdesigned you can't just work on something and don't tell anybody when to expect an outcome or don't even say what you are planning to do to make this stuff worth playing.
This is exactlyhow it has to be. Everything happening right now is just a logicalconsquence of thecurrent status of their product. And my oppinion is still: If this wasn't star wars... I'm not sure how many people would still play it. You can turn things around like you please but the situation won't get any better. The devs have to keep us updated or after some time there won't be anymore people to wait on updates on their plans.
If they would have properly designed and tested this game before release (like blizzard for example will sure do no matter what people might say) then they wouldn't be in that kind crappy situation. And of course everything happening now somehow seems to be chaotic to a certain extent. There is a good reason why computer science masters or bachelors spend hours and hours at university or college with design and planning related subjects (at least in my country). If you don't plan/design properly you can pick up the fragments of your project afterwards.
jopenack
Sun Sep 12, 2004 8:27 am
#17
I'm guessing they have a lawyer going over the wording so later they can say we never said that lol
Tstorm
Sun Sep 12, 2004 9:45 am
#18
Gyorgy wrote:Maybe it would be better for devs just not to give any dates on improvements or not even info on improvements, Tstorm. You could do that with a game where improvements are just expansions (like new weaponry, content,...) of the game. But with this game where loads and loads of things are bugged and misdesigned you can't just work on something and don't tell anybody when to expect an outcome or don't even say what you are planning to do to make this stuff worth playing.
As you say, there are "loads" of issues that need addressing. If you just look at the stickied CH issues list, that's quite a bit. Multiply that by every other profession and subject area (like the GCW), then add in all our favorite pet peeve bugs and you have well over a hundred, if not hundreds of issues (I wouldn't be surprised to see a list of over 1000 with everyone's wishlist). It's great to assume the Devs owe us continual updates on when we can expect these issues to be addressed, but I just don't think it's realistic or fair of us to expect it.
I am *not* suggesting that more two way communication shouldn't be taking place -- quite the contrary actually. I think the Devs dig themselves a pretty big hole for themselves when they say things such as "The Imperial Hat issue is my top priority", for example, as it sets an expectation that cannot (and still has not) be fulfilled in a manner consistent with the expectation ("top priority" implies very soon). I'm not an Imperial Hat advocate, I was just using it as an example of something that was said.
I do think the Devs occasionally give us some good information. The roadmap outline they did a couple of months ago gave us an idea of things they planned to address and the order (in publishes) they planned to do it. No dates were given and it was labelled as tentative. We need more of that kind of thing.
Aside from what SOE tells us or doesn't, we have a tendency of drawing implications and inventing our own reality. Just look at this thread -- there are some indicating the Devs lied to us about the combat revamp details being published in a week while others have said the Devs never promised that -- who is correct? Personally, I don't know myself and consider myself neutral, but it seems clear that someone is mistaken.
I know there are a handful of folks here that have a laundry list of failures the Devs have made. Whether the items on those lists are right or wrong, we do have a Correspondant trying to do the right thing as well as having a new assistant Community Relations person at SOE that will hopefully put smiles back on the faces of those who have been disappointed. Just because we're angry/frustrated, we can't expect a miracle overnight and all the wrongs of the past to be corrected instantly. If the Devs told us CH issues couldn't be dealt with until 2007, would that help with everyone's frustration level or just make it worse?
Gyorgy
Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:28 am
#19
Nobody is expecting any miracles but the devs could at least TRY to be more specific when to expect certain things. I mean to know that something is on a priority list is nice but some people might like to have more exact info (at least in a monthly range) so people can at least determine themselves if they want to go on playing/waiting or not. Right now i feel like the devs are just keeping us waiting for an unlimited (or suitable for them) period of time. And now we have a few weeks wait on those docs and well in a few months we will have the combat revamp finished... I don't know what problems they really have and i don't know why everything is taking that long but they shouldn't expect us to take everything.
I mean nobody can tell me they can't make proper timetables for things to do (is it that hard to make clear decisions?). We are talking about professionals here no 4th grade school kids who are still struggling with simple calcs.
MonCalMed
Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:40 pm
#20
I pre-ordered on the 16th, how much longer do i have to wait for the beta disc?
Haan-Salan
Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:54 pm
#21
Ummmm, being the game comes out in a week, probably a week. ;-)
MonCalMed
Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:56 pm
#22
I know when the game comes out but i'm talking about the Beta thing that comes with it
Haan-Salan
Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:59 pm
#23
That's what I meant. Beta closes the 24th I believe. If you ordered on the 16th, give the CD 4-6 business days to reach you, best case scenario you're looking at around the 20th. That's if they decide to ship it being it's so close to going live.
imnojedi
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:08 pm
#24
yeah dude, you waited too long. they said supplies were limited. so i dont think your getting one.
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