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Jay-Bird
Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:03 pm
#1
Peresonally, i believe it makes sense. Why? Here it goes.........
Since the begining of avionic warfare, the term 'ace' has been reserved for whom? Those who are above average, who face ENEMY fighters and WIN. What about subterfuge one may ask? The stealth pilots. The bomber so to speak. The forced PvP mastership system alows for those roles, a Dogfighter, and a Bomber. If you don't wish to fight dificult opponents. Then you do NOT deserve the ttle -Insert Faction Here- Ace.
I am not trying mock, or taunt, or aggrivate anti-Pvpers, but Ace pilot is reserved for those who go above or beyond the average fighting skills. Besides, its about time SOE added some Pvp content, and PvP where compnents only go so far.
/salute Devs
/salute SOE
Slarus
Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:06 pm
#2
It's forcing you to do something you shouldn't have to just to be able to pilot a multi-player ship. It is giving into the powergamers, who will be the only ones to fly them now. ANY PvP that is not consentual WILL 100% result in griefing at some point.
WegdeAntillys
Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 pm
#3
i completly agree with u...but its dawning on me that jtl is not nearly as good as the flight sims were used to...i fear that for us old pro pilots its will be a walk in the park...except for maybe avoiding the lightning in the nebs...but as for space combat...if the majority think its stinks...and odds r some of them arnt hard core pilots...uno we have a bit of a problim if people who dont evn play sims think its stinks...im sry to say my friend aces will be bored with the game rather fast...odds are they will do planty of revamps and that might make it btr but those r atleast 2-3 months off...atleast the heavy revamps
but im still hopefull...and ill try anything once
Morwen
Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:20 pm
#4
If this was a 100% fulltime pvp game I would agree with you. It's not. Not only is it not, but fully two thirds of the playerbase is factionally neutral according to the devs' own statistics. What it does is deny that content to a majority of the game's paying customers.
Slarus
Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:21 pm
#5
If this was a 100% fulltime pvp game I would agree with you. It's not. Not only is it not, but fully two thirds of the playerbase is factionally neutral according to the devs' own statistics. What it does is deny that content to a majority of the game's paying customers.
So by your account 75% of the money is not as good as 25% of the money, BS.
GadonThek
Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:38 am
#6
Now, dont get me wrong, Im all for PvP in JTL, but Im going to have to agree. PvP should not be [i]required[/i] for anything.
What I think is that the Master tag should not be XXX Faction Ace, instead, Ace should be a badge given once you achieve 5 PvP kills. Double-Ace when you get 10, and Multi-Ace when you get 15 or more.
What I think is that the Master tag should not be XXX Faction Ace, instead, Ace should be a badge given once you achieve 5 PvP kills. Double-Ace when you get 10, and Multi-Ace when you get 15 or more.
MadcowwithSARS
Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:13 am
#7
Forced PvP is not good anywere. Its only good for those who enjoy it. Although your post is well organized and non offensive which i appreciate. I do humbly disagree though. All this system will do is reward those that made master early by being able to camp those trying to gain that rank. They will have far superior weapons and equipment. This is a formula fo griefing that is just waiting to be used. Most Adults with a concious would kill a guy maybe once or twice. Then we would feel sorry for the guy and let him do his mission. But its the uber weenies that will wait at the jump points and follow you in every time you show up.
Jarkovi
Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:20 am
#8
The term "Ace" ment that someone shot down 5 enemy fighters with a fighter. It doesn't meen professional, although 99% of Aces are professionals. But Ace does not meen professional, it is just a title that you achieve by "shooting down 5 enemy fighters". Why not change the Masters title to "Pilot Professional" instead of "Pilot Ace" ?
Jay-Bird
Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:08 am
#9
Pilot Proffesional, i agree with........
However, there is one thing i think SOE should do for this last part......the greifers, or anybody who does not have this mission.....can onlygo in the zone once every half an hour or so. I think it is sad that people try to ruin the game. This would be a great system if it weren't for people like that.This sytem needs a little cleaning up..........*ding* idea here.
What if they scrapped these missions for pilot mastery. Made the missions in a non-PvP zone. However, once you master, you can go BACK to thattrainer do his mission(the Forced-PvP one), and IF you complete it you get anexpairimental reactor, an expairimentalshield, and........a "Lady Luck" hardpoint attachment (completely optional that last one, just an idea, truthfully, doesn't matter too much to me). When you attach that optional hardpoint tothe SoroSub it loses its invincibilty but you can mount one wep on it.
Still, i think the system could work it it weren't for greifers......but there are greifers, and there is sadly, no real way to stop them.
Message Edited by Jay-Bird on 10-24-2004 09:23 AM
Slarus
Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:13 am
#10
Pilot Proffesional, i agree with........
However, there is one thing i think SOE should do for this last part......the greifers, or anybody who does not have this mission.....can onlygo in the zone once every half an hour or so. I think it is sad that people try to ruin the game. This would be a great system if it weren't for people like that.This sytem needs a little cleaning up..........*ding* idea here.
What if they scrapped these missions for pilot mastery. Made the missions in a non-PvP zone. However, once you master, you can go BACK to thattrainer do his mission(the Forced-PvP one), and IF you complete it you get anexpairimental reactor, an expairimentalshield, and........a "Lady Luck" hardpoint attachment (completely optional that last one, just an idea, truthfully, doesn't matter too much to me). When you attach that optional hardpoint tothe SoroSub it loses its invincibilty but you can mount one wep on it.
Still, i think the system could work it it weren't for greifers......but there are greifers, and there is sadly, no real way to stop them.
Good idea, I love, except leave the Party Barge out of it. Those who want the cert to fly Multi-player ships and hate PvP can do so, those who want a bonus can try PvP. I hate PvP but I might redo a mission for some cool gear. It doesn't stop griefers, but lets people achieve thier goals in the game.
monochromered
Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:03 am
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I can see your point, but I think this is something that will have to change because it is potential greiving point, and the DEVs have taken good strides in elminating some of the most obivous griefing points.
Blamj
Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:22 am
#13
Well.. shooting down TIEs and NPCS still count.. If you want a pvp game go check out War World Online or possibly try the game Tribes
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