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RSQViper wrote:

I would think if you are a Rebel in a rebel ship, shooting Imps if an NPC sees you, you are dead. It would just not work like that vs PCs. Also, if you are just ina reb ship not shootings NPCs, NPC Imps would probably attack on sight. Kind of like a perma-TEF vs NPCs that won't effect you vs PCs.

At least that is what would make sense.

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I could easily life with that. I dont want it to be easy..well, not too easy anyway

But I think or rather hope that I stand a better chance against an NPC than against a player. And if I'm helplessly outnumbered by NPC enemies..well...tough luck, I die.

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Stakex007 wrote:

we really dont know what the deal is with attacking NPC's. For all we know you will have to be Overt to attack opposite faction ships (NPC's). Or yes, a TEF for NPC's.

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Well lets think about this then, I'm just thinking outloud so bear with me...

You can rule TEFs right out before they've bluntly said "In space, there are no TEF's." Since Neutrals can be either a Rebel or Imperial Pilot I think we can safely say that you don't have to be overtly Rebel or Imperial on the ground in order to attack faction NPCs in space, boy would that piss off PvE people. So I think that leaves only two possiblities, correct if I'm wrong. 1) Neutrals can attack any craft or 2) You can never attack faction NPCs with a Neutral ship. If so, that would mean Rebels and Imperials could never use a YT-1300 for anything other then attacking non-faction NPCs and other Players.

Does that logic seem right to everyone else?

Later,
LAR

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LAR wrote:

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Stakex007 wrote:

we really dont know what the deal is with attacking NPC's. For all we know you will have to be Overt to attack opposite faction ships (NPC's). Or yes, a TEF for NPC's.

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Well lets think about this then, I'm just thinking outloud so bear with me...

You can rule TEFs right out before they've bluntly said "In space, there are no TEF's." Since Neutrals can be either a Rebel or Imperial Pilot I think we can safely say that you don't have to be overtly Rebel or Imperial on the ground in order to attack faction NPCs in space, boy would that piss off PvE people. So I think that leaves only two possiblities, correct if I'm wrong. 1) Neutrals can attack any craft or 2) You can never attack faction NPCs with a Neutral ship. If so, that would mean Rebels and Imperials could never use a YT-1300 for anything other then attacking non-faction NPCs and other Players.

Does that logic seem right to everyone else?

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But they do have to be a Rebel pilot to attack Imp targets, or an Imp Pilot to attack Rebel targets. A person may be Neutral on the ground, but when they're in space, they are considered the faction whose Navy they joined. That's what's confusing a lot of people... neutral on the ground does not automatically equate to neutral in space. It just affects PvP options (I think).

On your second point, I already brought that up under the auspices of being a Neutral pilot: as on the ground, a neutral cannot attack factioned targets. And they already have the "pass-through" flag implemented... it may very well be that the "no attack" flag passes to space as well, via the pass-through.

As for the YT-1300 example, I'm pretty surethat's not true. The YT-1300 is not a neutral ship... it's a multi-faction ship, meaning that it can be flown by anyone, whether they're Imperial, Rebel, or Privateer. Don't ask me how they'll handle the TEFs on that thing, though... with a possible three gunnery positions, you may have to make pretty darnsure of your guests'... stabilitybefore inviting them to sit in the bubble

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LAR wrote:

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Stakex007 wrote:

we really dont know what the deal is with attacking NPC's. For all we know you will have to be Overt to attack opposite faction ships (NPC's). Or yes, a TEF for NPC's.

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Well lets think about this then, I'm just thinking outloud so bear with me...

You can rule TEFs right out before they've bluntly said "In space, there are no TEF's." Since Neutrals can be either a Rebel or Imperial Pilot I think we can safely say that you don't have to be overtly Rebel or Imperial on the ground in order to attack faction NPCs in space, boy would that piss off PvE people. So I think that leaves only two possiblities, correct if I'm wrong. 1) Neutrals can attack any craft or 2) You can never attack faction NPCs with a Neutral ship. If so, that would mean Rebels and Imperials could never use a YT-1300 for anything other then attacking non-faction NPCs and other Players.

Does that logic seem right to everyone else?

Later,
LAR

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Only problem i see with it is;

The YT-1300 is not a neutral ship. Its part of the privateer profession. Its doesn't matter if the Overt Rebel/IMP learns there respective profession or the privateer profession. When they enter space they will be overt regardless of what pilot profession they are learning and open for attack from everything.

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Dynonychus wrote:

But they do have to be a Rebel pilot to attack Imp targets, or an Imp Pilot to attack Rebel targets. A person may be Neutral on the ground, but when they're in space, they are considered the faction whose Navy they joined. That's what's confusing a lot of people... neutral on the ground does not automatically equate to neutral in space. It just affects PvP options (I think).

On your second point, I already brought that up under the auspices of being a Neutral pilot: as on the ground, a neutral cannot attack factioned targets. And they already have the "pass-through" flag implemented... it may very well be that the "no attack" flag passes to space as well, via the pass-through.

As for the YT-1300 example, I'm pretty surethat's not true. The YT-1300 is not a neutral ship... it's a multi-faction ship, meaning that it can be flown by anyone, whether they're Imperial, Rebel, or Privateer. Don't ask me how they'll handle the TEFs on that thing, though... with a possible three gunnery positions, you may have to make pretty darnsure of your guests'... stabilitybefore inviting them to sit in the bubble

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Message Edited by Fellstaff on 08-17-2004 04:06 PM

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Dynonychus wrote:

But they do have to be a Rebel pilot to attack Imp targets, or an Imp Pilot to attack Rebel targets. A person may be Neutral on the ground, but when they're in space, they are considered the faction whose Navy they joined. That's what's confusing a lot of people... neutral on the ground does not automatically equate to neutral in space. It just affects PvP options (I think).

On your second point, I already brought that up under the auspices of being a Neutral pilot: as on the ground, a neutral cannot attack factioned targets. And they already have the "pass-through" flag implemented... it may very well be that the "no attack" flag passes to space as well, via the pass-through.

As for the YT-1300 example, I'm pretty surethat's not true. The YT-1300 is not a neutral ship... it's a multi-faction ship, meaning that it can be flown by anyone, whether they're Imperial, Rebel, or Privateer. Don't ask me how they'll handle the TEFs on that thing, though... with a possible three gunnery positions, you may have to make pretty darnsure of your guests'... stabilitybefore inviting them to sit in the bubble

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I'm fully aware of the first paragraph. I actually found a flaw in my logic, I was treating being declared as a PvP flag, when what it really means is that you're open to attackby both NPCs and PCs. Which could mean that you need to be declared, and open to PvP, in order to use a non-faction ship against faction targets.

As for theYT-1300, I disagree. This is a common misconception, it's not a "multi-faction" ship, it's a factionless ship that's in all piloting trees. It's a small but important difference becauseit means that when you're covertly flying it you're covert to everyone of the opposing faction.

However I still think that everyone will be able to attack everyone.

Later,
LAR

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LAR wrote:

As for theYT-1300, I disagree. This is a common misconception, it's not a "multi-faction" ship, it's a factionless ship that's in all piloting trees. It's a small but important difference becauseit means that when you're covertly flying it you're covert to everyone of the opposing faction.

However I still think that everyone will be able to attack everyone.

Later,
LAR

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Fellstaff wrote:

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LAR wrote:

As for theYT-1300, I disagree. This is a common misconception, it's not a "multi-faction" ship, it's a factionless ship that's in all piloting trees. It's a small but important difference becauseit means that when you're covertly flying it you're covert to everyone of the opposing faction.

However I still think that everyone will be able to attack everyone.

Later,
LAR

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Flying a Yt1300 will NOT make you immune to attack. If you're a Rebel, the Imp NPC's will probably attack you. YT1300 isn't a free pass to fly around, there are plenty of factions out there beyong Imp Rebel and 'privateer'. Beyond that, noone said you couldn't declare PVP and fly the YT1300, just like you can be non-PVP and fly a Tie fighter.

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If you are Covert you WILL be immune to attack... think if your a Covert rebel on the ground and have -5000 Imp faction standing ST's don't just start attacking do they?

Just because you can be a Rebel pilot dosn't mean you will be a Rebel in space if your Neutral. The way I would interperate it... you can then use Rebel craft to do your "privateer" missions. I don't really think the your Faction in space changes when you have a diffrent pilot skill... Like if a Rebel wants to be an Imperial pilot, he can now use Ties in space. But he is still bound to attacking only Imps and such. As a rebel pilot, aneutral probly won't be able to attack anything they wouldn't be able to as a privateer either. Thats my interpritation on the system.

And a Privateer is a neutralprofession for the most part... its basiclly for neutral players.

Message Edited by Stakex007 on 08-17-2004 06:15 PM

Message Edited by Stakex007 on 08-17-2004 06:15 PM