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Slarus wrote:

The exact terms, maybe not sure they disclose that info, but I know 100% that SOE owns the intelectual rights to the SWG game, and if Lucas and SOE split the game we play now will be gone, and unless LA has been working on a new one, it will take 3-5 years from the storyboards to code setup the infrastructure and test a new game, this is basic to the industry. SOE bought the right to the title Star Wars and any copyrights associated with producing a game based on Star Wars and LA issued that licence but does not retain rights to said property, it would have cost them too much money and is highly unorthadox.

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Message Edited by C0RAX on 10-13-2004 12:26 AM

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Slarus wrote:

What proof do you have LA would do a better job? Zero I mean folks complain about epi 1-3 written by G.L, and the changes to epi 4-6, so if Mr. Lucas gets complaints, how could anyone get it right? This is daydreaming, Hypothetically, one year or less after LA comes out with a game like this there would be complaints about how they screwed up the game, it's never ending.

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Correction if your are a licensee you do not own the game, as in this case, the licensor (LucasArts/Lucas Licensing) can take away that permission if its mandate is not met (whatever their contract states, it could include money, content, promised goals, etc., etc.) FYI Lucas always had full rights of their merchandising since day one. So anything that bares the LucasFilms Ltd. Companies: LucasFilms, LucasArts, Industrial Light and Magic, Skywalker Sound, Lucas Digital, Lucas Licensing, Lucas Online would strictly be owned by LUCAS.

You got one part right LucasArts licensed the material to SOE. Until you can honestly say Lucas has given up a chunk of its ownership I think you have it all mixed up. I always thought this was common knowledge, Lucas owns anything/everything Star Wars, hence a whole company formed just to deal with licensing issues (Lucas Licensing).

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Slarus wrote:

Ok since you dont know anything about copyrights I'll try and educate you. LA owns the rights to Star Wars and anything that contains any copyrighted material, so they own the game, but do not own the code, or copyrighted material that SOE the developer designed. I know it sounds confusing, but it means if LA wants they can kick SOE out, but they need to build a new game that is original designed by themselves or whoever they get to develop it. The servers, the code, the CSRs, and the Devs are operated under SOE using content by permission of LA. SOE can design a game with the HAM combat system, and profession system EXACTLY identical to SWG, but LA CANNOT, why? SOE developed the system for game play, they own it, LA CANNOT use it, period. Which means LA takes over your character is DELETED as LA doesnt own that data, the servers they occupy or the code, developers, CSRs, etc. SOE CANNOT operate SWG without permission from LA, they CANNOT implement any design changes without permission from LA, SOE just owns the core game not the content and LA owns the content and naming rights but not the system. Yo said this right here:

But with what you claim in your post SOE doesnt really do anything and dont own any of thier intellectual property.

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And are you a copyright lawyer or a product developer? I can tell you this LUCAS has always been stickler when it deals with intellectual property... and if history repeats itself your assumptions are just that.

Where have you been? There are so many combat systems that are far superior to what currently exsist so exactly what do really love about the exsisting system.

Oh no mycharacter might be deleted, its a game.

Re-read the fine print and do some proper research instead of blowing hot air, unless you can actually show me the signed contract what your saying is simply hearsay.

Message Edited by C0RAX on 10-13-2004 08:10 AM

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Slarus wrote:

I addressed this, your incorrect a licence is for use of copyrighted and trademarked rights, content if you will not for the system, the game system is SOEs, the content is LAs. No one gave up anything to make this work. LA can (Depending on the contract) end it's agreement with SOE, but SOE owns the system that makes the game, the code how combat and professions work and such, but LA owns the content, locations titles, elements that are trademarked and copyrighted. LA did not give away anything, SOE paid LA to develop a system to give the feel of Star Wars.

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When you say say LucasArts you seem to quickly forget that LucasArts is part of a larger company which is LucasFilm Ltd Company.

As a licensee SOEwasgiven permission to use Star Wars content, but when you talk about 'who paid who' that is undisclosed information so your point has no validity.

You said it yourself "Depending on the contract" hence your post has no credibility. From what I've seen with your posts I justread more hearsay in fear that your hard work might be erased.