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The thing is, there's no difference between an amazing assembly and a great assembly at all. It just reduces the chance of a crit fail.

I see this as a very good thing actually. Sure you're assembly suit might be worthless, but the tradeoff is more then fair. I never thought a Master Crafter should fail an assembly anyway.

I hope you don't honestly believe they are worthless. Get your hands on an experimentation ONLY suit and see how you feel crafting. This is to eliminate the loss of expensive components and it will likely eliminate the need for the crafting cake. I can attest that the assembly DOES matter on each point of experimentation. If you test this out, I am certain you will agree.

Moron? I've been crafting armor for a damn long time. Quit slinging insults around, kid. I *do* know what I'm talking about. I *have* done my homework and research and I'm pretty sure Skinny, Makkir, Darvell or quite a few other smiths who come here will tell you that I do as well. The only moron is you for flaming me for bring up a genuine concern.

I can see this bored is no longer a place I can bring concerns without being flamed. Good job on alienating one of your own community members

Message Edited by CaileSathinor on 03-01-2005 10:25 AM

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CaileSathinor wrote:
Moron? I've been crafting armor for a damn long time. Quit slinging insults around, kid. I *do* know what I'm talking about. I *have* done my homework and research and I'm pretty sure Skinny, Makkir, Darvell or quite a few other smiths who come here will tell you that I do as well. The only moron is you for flaming me for bring up a genuine concern.

I can see this bored is no longer a place I can bring concerns without being flamed. Good job on alienating one of your own community members

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The guy calling you a moron was uncalled for.

But, you should have expected to get flamed for basically complaining about something you spent money on being "worthless" now.

I expected disagreement. Not to be called a moron. But I'm finished with this thread from this post on. Think what you may of me, I really don't care.

My work speaks for itself if you doubt my capability of knowing my craft.

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jason67 wrote:

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ZionHalcyon wrote:

Sorry, but if you have been crafting as long as you say, and still don't understand that an assembly bonus doesn't just affect the amount fo crit fails, then you are a moron, who knows enough to put pieces together to make something, but has no clue what they actually do.

I'd have a different opinion of you if you hadn't just lashed out like a goof, but you put yourself in a bad spot, and exposed just how little knowledge you have on a subject.

And don't give me the line of "I have been a crafter for XX time" - there are plenty of people in the world who have been at their jobs a long time, and yet, are still inept at them....

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I might suggest that you spend a little more time crafting as well. While the assembly points help get better success(ie amazings) if you had spent any time seriously crafting then you would know that amazing success on assembly is completely pointless. It does not increase your base stats at all. Meaning that assembly has no purpose other than reducing crit fails.

I still enjoy seeing the amazings on assembly but they never have made any difference at all in my final products. Only the amazing experimentations effect the overall outcome. So yes assembly will give more amazings but amazings are totally useless for assembly. If you spent more time crafting and less time flaming you'd know that. The only assembly mod that will increase the stats is if you get a criticle success which is extremely rare.

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I have to disagree that the amazings do not matter and I will explain exactly where they do matter. If I put all of the points into base experimentation and nail an amazing success, this gives me an 'extra' point so to speak for use in lowering HAM. This will usually knock between six and 10 points of HAM off of each stat. If you translate that across an entire suit of armor, that is the difference between a great armorsmith and everyone else. I think many of the other guys here will agree with this.

This has created some heated debates today but there really is only one side.

/salute

Just continue the debate here - at least everything is consolidated to a single thread. And my response to the amazing assemblies is here.