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TehKid
Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:40 am
#833
You can't use level 4 droid chips in a level 1 flight computer or astromech. You can use a level 4 chip in higher level flight computer or astromech. Basically, the flight computer/astromech has to be the same level or higher than the level chip you want to use.
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Mauler05
Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:23 pm
#835
/agree to all of this.
I personally want to go for jedi no matter what, as I think the difficulty is no problem, it's simply the concept and experience of being a jedi, and experiencing something new.
Even though i have been the nightmare to some jedi, i think it would be neat being on their side. 
Message Edited by Mauler05 on 11-30-2004 08:25 PM
Jessian
Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:59 am
#836
"Like it has been stated before, i would hate to see 50 jedi running around on a server that are all casual players."
So hang on a moment here, just because i like many other PAYING customers can only play several hours a week i should not HAVE Jedi?
only those unemployed peeps, that can play 24/7 all the time can? how does that work? the game system allows EVERY SINGLE PLAYER the chance to unlock JEDI.
now if thats the case, and SOE dont want us casual players to have JEDI, then i want a FULL refund for the time i played to UNLOCK my own FS character. i didn't know that was SOE total goal of SWG...
and here is me sitting here in Scotland, thinking hang on, lets release a MMO game based on Starwars, we can have bugs, more bugs and even some Jedi. Oh hangon you cant be jedi unless you PLAY 24/7
thats bull*&*^*^
pure and simple...
the grind is there to limit the number of jedi, nothing to do with categorising players due to their time online. Im sorry to say this, this is the most pathetic post ever i have read.
if this is the case, can SOE please refund us "casual" players for UNLOCKING the Jedi we were not meant to have?
Ocid
Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:37 am
#837
How can you say if your a casual gamer you don't deserve jedi. That is just ridiculous. I'm not a casual gamer but i'm nota power gamer either. I do an apprenticeship and when i am at college i get about 3 hours a night to play SWG but when i am at work i can only play for an hour a night. And fair enough i have been ill the ast couple of days so i have had more time to play and if i had been commando i'm sure i would have this last tree finished but i would rather enjoy it than be bored as i value my time and would rather have fun.Sure its going to take me longer to do the grind than you but that doesn't mean that i don't deserve to be jedi as much as you or anyone else here does. I'm hopefully going to be inline to unlock over the christmas period as i only have one more FS tree to go.
And as someone else has already said (sorry never took note of the name) it just means a different kind of play style for me. As i value my time ingame and don't want to be watching my back every minute i'm on looking for a BH on me. I do indeed plan to roleplay the lone jedi working his way up the ranks in a small corner of the galaxy.
Message Edited by Ocid on 12-01-2004 11:47 AM
Lysheny
Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:59 am
#838
I'd always prefer the roleplaying casual gamer's Jedi over someone who powergrinded there. I had hoped the new system would promote a way where the casual and/or role- player, someone who's enjoying the game and not 'working through' it, could achieve Jedi. That's still possible but it takes some long time. But one day those will get Jedi too, and they deserve it even more as they are the ones who add to everyone's Star Wars experience. Just my opinion.
maco2702
Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:10 am
#839
A little of the topic, but why should we have to 'grind' through jedi. I mean how many peep are doign it just to get a glowy stick!? If they implemented it so that everyone could use a saber you'd see a massive cut down in the number of fs-grinders. Like if it was made so that you could have a lightsaber, but not be able to use it to its full potential eg. you can kill all the little things like womp rats easily, but squill's would give you a run for your money sort of thing? Alright, for a couple of weeks you'd have people going mad flashing there glowy's around, but after the novelty wears off im sure people would prefer to get back to TK, rifles or whatever you PVPer's do. Perhaps even if someone uses a saber, they appear on the terminal's as a 'suspected force user' or something and novice BH's would be able to go after you?
Personally, im only doing the grind so i have the fs-crafting and fs-healing skills, and may possibly get padawan so i can have a second character on the server without having to pay an extra £10 a month on a second account. But even then i will have to wait month's to get the xp needed since medical xp caps at 80k and converts to 8k force sense's xp, which to me is just rediculous.
P.S i apologise for my crummy spelling, i can't help it because im a wookiee and im jsut learning 'basic language'
YuthuraMan
Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:47 am
#840
well folks, stop with the flames there, tathizar is telling the truth. jedi r meant to b rare as seen in the movies. it needs patience and a lot of time. if u play 24-7 u get it faster, but a casual player will get it too, but only will take longer.
if the current jedi of the game r jerks and mercenarys, thats why they re real ppl with power in their hands, everyone would do the same. is wrong but its a human condition. u ll never see a wise , peace loving master jedi in SWG.
aout the FS grind....well its supposed to b boring, like yoda said: "a jedi must have patience, a jedi never looks for excitement or adventure." or sumthing like that ( dagobaaahhhh)
and dont tell me jedi r useless, or should b nerfed away from SWG cuz thats just jealousy from those who did had the patience to grind all the way to jedi, no matter what kind of player he is (casual, powergammer).
if jedi r useless so r TKMs, fencers, rifleman , etc...its a profession like every other, but it takes a LOT of patience to get it, thats all!
im not a jedi and im veeeery far from one as I am a casual player! so dont even start with it. there s a lot of cool games to b jedi. KOTOR, jedi knight series, etc........in SWG jedi work different, so if u want a easy, not boring, very cool way of playing a jedi, buy one of these games.
peace out there folks, its just a game and SOE is not our enemy, they do what they can to make the game fun for all.
Outkster
Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:19 am
#841
I agree with both points of view. I am not a casual gamer nor am I a power gamer. I don't use grenades, I tried it thought it was way more boreing than the normal grind. I have 9 weeks left till the real long grind begins, but i am a whole tree ahead in the FS conversion grind 
. Im not a duel elite combat class & I'm definately NOT a stacker.
. Im not a duel elite combat class & I'm definately NOT a stacker.
DRWolfe
Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:24 am
#842
Totally agree with Rhysen, totally disagree with Tathizar.
Everyone pays the same amount to play this game, so everything in this game is MEANT for everyone in this game. I love cut and paste. Rather than type out a whole new post, responding to yet another elitist "X isn't meant for casual gamers, but since I play all the time, I'm better than everyone and am entitled to things others shouldn't have" person, I'll just paste my response to another one of those types...
I hear this every time I say I am a casual player who wants to play a Jedi. Well, be glad that this is one casual player who will be playing a Jedi. Here's what needs to be understood about me. I don't care one bit how long or hard the Jedi grind is. I realise how long and difficult it is. I'm not a new player who just joined the game and wants a Jedi NOW! I'm grinding to become a Jedi, but once I get there, I will no longer be grinding. I will be enjoying the game playing a Jedi. I don't care how long it takes me to get to Knight, if I ever get there. I just want to play a Jedi.
As for KOTOR or Jedi Academy, I want to play a Jedi character of my own creation, in a Role Playing game with other players. I don't want to play a pre-packaged Jedi in a FPS or scripted game.
And when I say "play a Jedi", I mean I will be RPing a Jedi, which means only a select few would even know I am a Jedi. No title, and no using saber or powers in public. I don't think you have to be worried about "50 casual Jedi running around cnet". Casual players can play smart, too. (I really hate the attitude of some power-gamers who think just because they have so much time to play that they own the game and are somehow better than "casual" players, who couldn't possibly know anything, despite having played the game since Day 1.)
I would have played this game even if Jedi weren't a part of it. My first character was a Smuggler (great choice there, though he will always be a Smuggler). However, Jedi are part of the game, and should be available to everyone. This means there will eventually be a lot of Jedi in the game. Big deal. It's not going along with the "official" timeline of Star Wars, but guess what? This is a game BASED on the Star Wars Universe. It left the "official" story line the minute actual people joined the game. I'm a huge fan of Star Wars, ever since I saw the original Episode IV in the theatre when it was first released (when Han shot first).
As for many Jedi ruining PvP, not everyone who is going for Jedi wants one so they can be uber in PvP. Some actually want to just role-play a Jedi. I hope to participate in PvP with my characters (Jedi or not) as little as possible. It's just not my thing.
The point of all this rambling is still that everyone should be entitled to a Jedi and that the system shouldn't (and doesn't have to) cater to one style of play over another to achieve. With some thought, a reasonable method could have been made. Once it was determined that Jedi would be a part of the game, there was always going to eventually be many Jedi playing, so forget trying to control the numbers and make it fun.
Everyone pays the same amount to play this game, so everything in this game is MEANT for everyone in this game. I love cut and paste. Rather than type out a whole new post, responding to yet another elitist "X isn't meant for casual gamers, but since I play all the time, I'm better than everyone and am entitled to things others shouldn't have" person, I'll just paste my response to another one of those types...
I hear this every time I say I am a casual player who wants to play a Jedi. Well, be glad that this is one casual player who will be playing a Jedi. Here's what needs to be understood about me. I don't care one bit how long or hard the Jedi grind is. I realise how long and difficult it is. I'm not a new player who just joined the game and wants a Jedi NOW! I'm grinding to become a Jedi, but once I get there, I will no longer be grinding. I will be enjoying the game playing a Jedi. I don't care how long it takes me to get to Knight, if I ever get there. I just want to play a Jedi.
As for KOTOR or Jedi Academy, I want to play a Jedi character of my own creation, in a Role Playing game with other players. I don't want to play a pre-packaged Jedi in a FPS or scripted game.
And when I say "play a Jedi", I mean I will be RPing a Jedi, which means only a select few would even know I am a Jedi. No title, and no using saber or powers in public. I don't think you have to be worried about "50 casual Jedi running around cnet". Casual players can play smart, too. (I really hate the attitude of some power-gamers who think just because they have so much time to play that they own the game and are somehow better than "casual" players, who couldn't possibly know anything, despite having played the game since Day 1.)
I would have played this game even if Jedi weren't a part of it. My first character was a Smuggler (great choice there, though he will always be a Smuggler). However, Jedi are part of the game, and should be available to everyone. This means there will eventually be a lot of Jedi in the game. Big deal. It's not going along with the "official" timeline of Star Wars, but guess what? This is a game BASED on the Star Wars Universe. It left the "official" story line the minute actual people joined the game. I'm a huge fan of Star Wars, ever since I saw the original Episode IV in the theatre when it was first released (when Han shot first).
As for many Jedi ruining PvP, not everyone who is going for Jedi wants one so they can be uber in PvP. Some actually want to just role-play a Jedi. I hope to participate in PvP with my characters (Jedi or not) as little as possible. It's just not my thing.
The point of all this rambling is still that everyone should be entitled to a Jedi and that the system shouldn't (and doesn't have to) cater to one style of play over another to achieve. With some thought, a reasonable method could have been made. Once it was determined that Jedi would be a part of the game, there was always going to eventually be many Jedi playing, so forget trying to control the numbers and make it fun.
Message Edited by DRWolfe on 12-01-2004 09:25 AM
YeahButNo
Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:27 am
#843
yup i'm going all the way . 5 boxes to go.. I've tried for nearly a year to be a jedi.. now i'm finally close .
. 5 boxes to go.. I've tried for nearly a year to be a jedi.. now i'm finally close .
eva57198
Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:47 am
#844
I agree wholeheartedly with DrWolfe, Gooney, and Lysheny. If only there were a way to measure the intelligence of a Jedi ('s user) so as to punish those 1337 d00d PvP b01s. The XP penalty does a bit, but it doesn't do enough; they still run around Coronet waving their magic wands. 
Casual-gamer Jedi, I've found, were always better than "OMGOMG(WTFBBQ SAUCE)I R BETTAR TEHN J00!" J3T-3Y3 types. Hehe, perma-death for the 1337 kids, the current system for casual gamers. Of course, then you'd have subjectivity and whatnot, but meh, just get rid of the 1337 kids already.
Casual-gamer Jedi, I've found, were always better than "OMGOMG(WTFBBQ SAUCE)I R BETTAR TEHN J00!" J3T-3Y3 types. Hehe, perma-death for the 1337 kids, the current system for casual gamers. Of course, then you'd have subjectivity and whatnot, but meh, just get rid of the 1337 kids already.
DravTroele
Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:54 am
#845
So tell me why does it matter if your a casual player or a power gamer? Jedi is meant for anyone that has the patience for it. I think the whole thing should have been quest based and not exp based. Part of the quests could be that you have to kill so many so and so to protect some people, whatever. But it should be quest based. And the quests should get progressively harder. I am sure "The Bear Clan" was not expected to fight Darth Maul or Tyrannus if they seen him, just as Luke was not expected to fight Vader in ESB. However, a few months later after assumingly more training, Luke was expected to face Vader if he was going to become a Jedi.
A much better system would have been after you get a visit from the old man, you travel to Dagobah and are trained by Yoda. Yoda trains you (by sending you on quests). Some quests can be to gain lots of fs exp, some quests can be to protect hidden village from dark side adpets (calling the things we face Sith is a joke). The quests should teach all aspects of being a Jedi. Each quest opens a new force power. So you would have combat quests, Jedi healing quests, Jedi endurance quests. I mean in like 10 minutes we could all put together ideas that would be better than what we are doing. If anyone played Gemstone, there was a religous sect called Voln, to become a member you went through a series of quests, each quest gave you more power. Jedi should have been more like this. There should be lots of quests the quests should take progressively longer to complete as you get closer to Padawan status, actually make that Knight status as the quests should involve you becoming a Padawan. The real problem is they did not forsee that it is Star Wars, and most people are going to want to be a Jedi. So now they have the game in a time frame with limited Jedi and they have most customers wanting to be Jedi, they want to stay close to the timeline so they try and make it boring or unexciting to become a Jedi, thus people will get bored and go back to what they were doing before. Problem with this theory is, people WANT to be Jedi, so they will continue on whatever path SOE lays before them. The whole path to Jedi is just wrong, there is no immersion, no learning what it is to be a Jedi. Only mindless killing, that does benefit the power gamer to some extent, but not as much as they think, because evena casual gamer can get the exp needed in 3 weeks before the next phase starts, if they want to. The thing is, I don't always want to hunt everytime I log on. So sometimes us casual players don't make all the exp for one branch during three weeks. So we end up taking an extra month or so to grind Jedi. We will still get our Jedi, so therefore your theory is flawed that "Jedi is Tough, not meant for Casual players" both parts of that theory are wrong. Jedi is not tough, and most casual players can get Jedi just as quick as the power gamer, due to the gated quest system.
A much better system would have been after you get a visit from the old man, you travel to Dagobah and are trained by Yoda. Yoda trains you (by sending you on quests). Some quests can be to gain lots of fs exp, some quests can be to protect hidden village from dark side adpets (calling the things we face Sith is a joke). The quests should teach all aspects of being a Jedi. Each quest opens a new force power. So you would have combat quests, Jedi healing quests, Jedi endurance quests. I mean in like 10 minutes we could all put together ideas that would be better than what we are doing. If anyone played Gemstone, there was a religous sect called Voln, to become a member you went through a series of quests, each quest gave you more power. Jedi should have been more like this. There should be lots of quests the quests should take progressively longer to complete as you get closer to Padawan status, actually make that Knight status as the quests should involve you becoming a Padawan. The real problem is they did not forsee that it is Star Wars, and most people are going to want to be a Jedi. So now they have the game in a time frame with limited Jedi and they have most customers wanting to be Jedi, they want to stay close to the timeline so they try and make it boring or unexciting to become a Jedi, thus people will get bored and go back to what they were doing before. Problem with this theory is, people WANT to be Jedi, so they will continue on whatever path SOE lays before them. The whole path to Jedi is just wrong, there is no immersion, no learning what it is to be a Jedi. Only mindless killing, that does benefit the power gamer to some extent, but not as much as they think, because evena casual gamer can get the exp needed in 3 weeks before the next phase starts, if they want to. The thing is, I don't always want to hunt everytime I log on. So sometimes us casual players don't make all the exp for one branch during three weeks. So we end up taking an extra month or so to grind Jedi. We will still get our Jedi, so therefore your theory is flawed that "Jedi is Tough, not meant for Casual players" both parts of that theory are wrong. Jedi is not tough, and most casual players can get Jedi just as quick as the power gamer, due to the gated quest system.