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Caine_Chapel
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:29 am
#66
Actually King snake... if SWG is the big joke of the MMO world... how come it has more playerbase than most of the MMOs out there... that's like saying EQ is a failure 
No i think the big joke of the MMO world was WW2 online... or AC2. But SWG? no, not hardly, it is by an overrall playerbase standpoint (which MMOs are judged mostly) a success. Despite what people on the forums say. Sure there are rough spots (which MMO doesnt have some) but the game is fun for a lot of people. and just because people choose to complain on the boards doesnt mean the game is a bomb... i mean if you went by boards (where people do the majority of the complaining) well then... NO mmo would be great now would it?
Slarus
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:40 am
#67
What will probably happen is that Jedi that exist will be allowed to stay, but no more Jedi will be allowed till one of the existing Jedi delete themselves.
The Jedithat currently exist will enjoy a revamp of their profession to make the Jedi much more realistic within the Star Wars universe, rather than in balance with everyone else.
Remember, Lucas is a marketing GENUIUS.
Eveything else will get whatever it takes to bring in the most players.
The Jedithat currently exist will enjoy a revamp of their profession to make the Jedi much more realistic within the Star Wars universe, rather than in balance with everyone else.
Remember, Lucas is a marketing GENUIUS.
Eveything else will get whatever it takes to bring in the most players.
The presumtion is illogical that LA will halt Jedi for any reason other then a revemp and after the revamp, anyone can be Jedi. It also makes sense that yes indeed there would still be Jedi (Sorry Jedi haters who started this rumor). Jedi are the biggest elemant in Star Wars, not to market the only place to place a non-scripted Jedi is stupid. Allow X number of Jedi per server is stupid for a number of reasons:
1. How does one determine this magic number? This number thoery has and alway will be based on arbitary theory, in Star Wars there are 100s of systems with people if most were just Earth's population we could be talking almost 1 trillion people if Force users were .01% that would still be thousands. The problem is this is an MMORPG population numbers are impossible to go by, look at all the Teras kasi and Bounty hunters, nothing is mentioned about the disportionate amount of them. What about professions that arent cannon professions, such as Creature handlers, Bio-engineers, Rangers, etc? They get a pass for not exsisting while Jedi have to be "controlled" it simply doesnt make sense.
2. Once this magic number is reached if a Jedi is inactive but the account is still paid for does that lock out new Jedi? IS this number based on population of the sever? or what? I guess since it's arbitrary and has no basis for fact it can be anything.
Lucas is a marketing genius, so that means he'd never impose caps on number of Jedi, but more then likely address the visability issue and the forced PvP issue. They would if they could make Jedi PvE, quest based and make it so you would not see a player as a Jedi under most circumstances.
But to be honest it will never happen either way, LA doesnt own the game just the right for the game to be sold. Any take over from SOE would result in no more SWG, period end of story. SOE owns the code, employs the designers and programmers, and has the resorces to put out a game like this LA doesnt they would need to build and aquire everything from the ground up and that could take 3-5 years before we see anything, it simply is not a smart move, not when the game is only a year old and very fixable.
Facts are facts this rumor is a direct attack on Jedi, it is Jedi-hating pipe dreams to get fanboys on board, it is based of assumtions and hopes (Mostly anti-Jedi hopes) it is directing angry at one group to motivation a large group of players, to a much greater degree this happened in real life a few times will tragic results always.
KzinKiller
Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:03 am
#68
Well, it's all speculation, but sometimes speculation is fun.
What we really need to know is numbers ... money numbers. Is SOE losing money on this game? Are they losing a lot? Are their projections showing them that they're just going to lose more? Is the 'churn' rate of customers showing them a dark, dark time ahead without major changes?
We don't know. But there are a lot of easily imaginable economic scenarios where SOE just cuts loose this project and hands it lock, stock & barrel to another company (like LA). None of the coders would change, LA wouldn't have to run out and hire a bunch of new devs, they'd just be changing the suits at the front office who make the big decisions, and that is clearly what needs to change in this game. It's the big decisions that have put this thing into the ditch, not the guys & gals writing the code that makes Naboo look like Naboo.
It doesn't matter how much money SOE has invested here, what matters is how much they stand to lose if things keep going the way they are ... how much damage it does to their corporate image to have this project associated with their label. I can only speak personally, but I just can't imagine buying anything with the SOE label after the level of mismanagement I've experienced here. There's too many other choices out there. Maybe they'll be good, maybe they'll be bad, but I know how these guys run a game (into the ground), so why give them my repeat business?
A change of ownership here would be a sign of hope for the customer-players the way a change of coaches gives a football team's fans hope when they're on a long losing streak .... and let's face it, SWG is Miami Dolphins of gaming right now.
What we really need to know is numbers ... money numbers. Is SOE losing money on this game? Are they losing a lot? Are their projections showing them that they're just going to lose more? Is the 'churn' rate of customers showing them a dark, dark time ahead without major changes?
We don't know. But there are a lot of easily imaginable economic scenarios where SOE just cuts loose this project and hands it lock, stock & barrel to another company (like LA). None of the coders would change, LA wouldn't have to run out and hire a bunch of new devs, they'd just be changing the suits at the front office who make the big decisions, and that is clearly what needs to change in this game. It's the big decisions that have put this thing into the ditch, not the guys & gals writing the code that makes Naboo look like Naboo.
It doesn't matter how much money SOE has invested here, what matters is how much they stand to lose if things keep going the way they are ... how much damage it does to their corporate image to have this project associated with their label. I can only speak personally, but I just can't imagine buying anything with the SOE label after the level of mismanagement I've experienced here. There's too many other choices out there. Maybe they'll be good, maybe they'll be bad, but I know how these guys run a game (into the ground), so why give them my repeat business?
A change of ownership here would be a sign of hope for the customer-players the way a change of coaches gives a football team's fans hope when they're on a long losing streak .... and let's face it, SWG is Miami Dolphins of gaming right now.
alpinestreams
Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:07 am
#69
Why do people keep saying Lucas is a marketing genious? George Lucas has nothing to do with Lucas arts other than its an arm of his financial empire. If you think he sits around playing games all day your sorely mistaken. He's at the helm of LucasFilm and has spent the last 6 years making the prequels. The people making decisions are the higher ups in LucasArts not George Lucas.
KingSnake777
Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:34 am
#70
yeah, i keep hearing how many subscribers SWG has... at least on these boards. LOL.
I'll tell you, for 250 thoushands subscribers and a 100k people on game at any one time, the worlds are pretty dead don't you think?
And i'm not talking about the hate on the boards. I quite coming to SWG boards when I lost intrest in the game.
I'm talking about when your hanging at the local game shop, and you mention you play SWG, and everyone in the shop starts laughing.
I'm talking about putting a bag on my head becasue i was ashamed to be in the store buying the pre purachies beta.
I'm talking about when everyone I know and game with make fun of me for still playing this game, DISPITE the fact I haven't played in MONTHS. (I keep saying, it'll get better. They keep saying WHEN?
Althought i will admit, AC2 was a bigger joke than this, the only difference is, AC2 is dead, (at least i think it is) SWG is still making promisies no one belives.
ask yourself this, when a dev heremakes a promise, and give a date, do you belive them? If so, i got some premo beach frount proprity here in Ohio for sale, and i'll give you quite the deal my friend!
Now don't get me totaly wrong, i accually want to see SWG improve and become a wonderful game, I just can't see it accually happening. As it stands right now, i have the money and time to wait it out and see.... i'm frotune in that respect, but i'm pretty disinfranczed right now. I'm looking forward to JTL and the combat balance, hoping this may indeed breath new life into the game for me. I really hope i does. But this dev team doesn't have a good track record, and my hopes a slim at best.
Now could LA do a better job? I don't know... i remember some really really sucky SW games back in the day... and the no Jedi stance this post spouts would be plan stupid, it'd enrage the people with Jedi, it would enrage the people that want Jedi, and the Jedi haters would still be left with a buggy as hell game.
If they let the people with Jedi keep them, the outcry from the people who want them would be deafinging. Not to mention it'd be totally unfair.
You see? There is no easy way to handle Jedi, some group is going to get pissed either way... so the smart move is to piss of the smallest group, and that would be the Jedi hater group...
and really, LA is dealing with alot of there own issues right now, do they really want to inheartate all this mess ontop of that?
I don't think so. It's be stupid. And belive it or not, LA isn't a stupid company.
KingSnake.
Message Edited by KingSnake777 on 10-11-2004 08:35 AM
Myonax
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:02 am
#71
For what it's worth, I have a long time gaming buddy that inteviews for that Director job this week. We spent a flurry of emails discussing the ins and outs of the game so he can speak intelligently in the interview. He didn't get to play SWG b/c he was developing a game for X-Box so needed some real feedback.
We'll see but I'm getting the feeling that alot of folks still play because their big fans of the whole Star Wars entity, not because of game play and world dynamics.
alpinestreams
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:14 am
#72
Ihareo wrote: Oh really. Who is the president of Lucas Arts then?
May 3, 2004 - Lucasfilm Ltd. Names Jim Ward President of LucasArts
http://www.lucasfilm.com/press/news/news20040503.html
Message Edited by alpinestreams on 10-11-2004 11:18 AM
C0RAX
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:35 am
#73
I would love to see LucasArts step in and improve on this DEBACLE! (ie: content lacking the Star Wars feel)
FYI all material and intellectual property regarding Star Wars all belong to George Lucas. The president of LucasArts has certain powers but as we all know George has veto on everything related to Star Wars.
If George decides to have SOE change their mandate Sony as a licensee don't really have a choice but to comply. I for one would love to see LucasArts make changes that will make the game closer to what the true spirit of Star Wars is all about.
Whether its a rumor or fact, I for one consider this as GOOD NEWS!
Message Edited by C0RAX on 10-11-2004 12:37 PM
C0RAX
Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:07 am
#75
jeff1134 wrote:
I say if its not totally broke.... dont fix it
Don't get me wrong I've seen tremendous improvements since day 1 but... I believe you have it all wrong its been broken for quite some time... and it has to be addressed sooner than laterbefore it drags down the Star Wars franchise.
Its true you can never please everyone but you can make a tremendous impact by just following the exsisting blue print... I mean it seems easier than it sounds. But George Lucas layed the foundation for Star Wars more than 25 years ago.
I've just recentlywatched that documentary on George Lucas on the Ep IV, V, VI DVD, and all the hard work and dedication still seem fresh in my head. I can't help but have great admiration and respect for what a group of peoplelead byGeorge Lucas can accomplish.We all know that the creative processisnot simply black and white, there seems to be a lot of grey in between. Just like any project you need a leader with a vision and in this case SWG. This person appointed to lead this project has to have a vision that adheres to the true spirit of Star Wars that we all know and have grown to love.
In order to move forward changes has to happen no doubt about that, and as forLucasArts/LucasFilms they have to protect their own interests.
Slarus
Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:19 am
#76
FYI all material and intellectual property regarding Star Wars all belong to George Lucas. The president of LucasArts has certain powers but as we all know George has veto on everything related to Star Wars.
What is your source on this, SOE paid Lucas to produce this game, they own the game Lucas licences the right to let it go live. Lucas did nto pay SOE for the game, designers and infrastructure if they did, why would they need SOE in the first place.
I need a source on this it makes no sense as the industry works today, Lucas is losing money fi this is the case and only SOE is making any money on SWG.
Ihareo
Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:31 am
#77
alpinestreams wrote:
Ihareo wrote: Oh really. Who is the president of Lucas Arts then?
May 3, 2004 - Lucasfilm Ltd. Names Jim Ward President of LucasArts
http://www.lucasfilm.com/press/news/news20040503.html
Message Edited by alpinestreams on 10-11-2004 11:18 AM
Ok. I stand corrected.
*small curtsey*
LordReaver
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:36 pm
#78
Whomever thinks that SWG just has a Star Wars title is full of themselves. I have never played a game that has as much Star Wars content then this game. Now this content may not be connected as well as lets say.... KOTOR, but it has more content none the less.
Name one other game that has as many Star Wars animals, Star Wars locations, andStar Wars characters as SWG. Now do that same thing with all that plus new animals, locations, and characters. It just doesn't exist.
I have proof that there is no better Star Wars game then this. If it wasn't so great, why are you still around to say its not great? Honestly, do you hang around the Power Rangers forums? No, and you don't because its truely bad! Come to think of it, they probably don't even have a forum.Only the really good games will have a forum as easy to use, is as big as, andhave as many people asthis game has.
I can go on and on about this, so I will end my rant, but I have one last thing to say.
If this game has no content, then tell us all what it is missing, not what it could do better as, but what it is missing, key word "MISSING!" If you have to think about that answer, then maybe this game isn't so content lacking as you people put it.